West Ham Utd 3-3 Brighton & Hove Albion (01/02/20)
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
What a bizarre double substitution from Moyes.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
I think you've managed to contradict yourself there! It was a terrible substitution.Faithless wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:12 pm The Antonio for Arthur was a perfectly reasonable substitution. Antonio was tiring, we are truly ****ed if he picks up an injury, we were 3 - 1 up and in theory you're replacing a more attacking player with a more defensive player to shore up the left. Unfortunately Arthur is actually terrible defensively, has less positional sense than Antonio and doesn't recover as well. Granted a number of us wouldn't have been remotely surprised to see Arthur hit an uncontested pass into the opposition or Diop lack the ability to head the ball...
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
That Masuaku sub was the turning point - seemed to confuse everyone. We were relatively untroubled up to that point.
I’m sure there are players I’d be less inclined to bring on to see out a lead than Arthur, but I can’t think of any right now. Reminds me of Bilic repeatedly being burned throwing on Enner late in games.
I’m sure there are players I’d be less inclined to bring on to see out a lead than Arthur, but I can’t think of any right now. Reminds me of Bilic repeatedly being burned throwing on Enner late in games.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
David Moyes to blame for that.
3-1 up and takes off out only striker (I don't count Haller ad anything). So so so defensive minded.
Tbf we didn't deserve to be winning and we didn't deserve a point
Only Snodgrass and Antonio deserve any credit from that debavle
3-1 up and takes off out only striker (I don't count Haller ad anything). So so so defensive minded.
Tbf we didn't deserve to be winning and we didn't deserve a point
Only Snodgrass and Antonio deserve any credit from that debavle
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In fact I wonder if bringing Balbuena on would have worked out better?
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
I think the idea was Arthur was meant to play the same role as Antonio, so we wouldn’t end up too much on the back foot. Potter deserves credit for making the attacking substitutions.ironsonthebrain wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:07 pm Substitutions.
Brighton’s inspired them, Moyes’ changes cost us two - in fact nearly all 3 - points!
He’s floundering, he hasn’t got an effing clue!
He’s taking us down and yet again our owners look on as another inadequate manager gets us relegated!
In fact I wonder if bringing Balbuena on would have worked out better?
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
I dont even know how to begin to analyse that game.
What is for certain is that was absolutely thrown away. Hard to pin it on Moyes really.
Antonio had to go off - we can't afford him getting injured, and we should be able to see a 2 goal advantage through with only 20 mins to play.
I don'y know what Oggy and Diop were thinking for their second - absolutely farcical.
The third seemed the right decision to me - came off Murray's midrift.
Haller is absolutely anonymous and to be honest, a bit of a joke. He isn't up to this standard.
35% possession at home to Brighton. Doesn't really sound encouraging.
What is for certain is that was absolutely thrown away. Hard to pin it on Moyes really.
Antonio had to go off - we can't afford him getting injured, and we should be able to see a 2 goal advantage through with only 20 mins to play.
I don'y know what Oggy and Diop were thinking for their second - absolutely farcical.
The third seemed the right decision to me - came off Murray's midrift.
Haller is absolutely anonymous and to be honest, a bit of a joke. He isn't up to this standard.
35% possession at home to Brighton. Doesn't really sound encouraging.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
It wasn't hand ball.
It was obvious today that we were just trying to get it wide and cross it. They were getting people between the lines and dragging all over the shop. We really are trying to play 90's football.
Saying that, we should have been out of sight, but our whole defence is a liability.
The team we need to get on the pitch to stand a chance is Soucek and Rice sitting, Anderson behind Haller and Antonio and Bowen wide. That's enough to cause problems.
It was obvious today that we were just trying to get it wide and cross it. They were getting people between the lines and dragging all over the shop. We really are trying to play 90's football.
Saying that, we should have been out of sight, but our whole defence is a liability.
The team we need to get on the pitch to stand a chance is Soucek and Rice sitting, Anderson behind Haller and Antonio and Bowen wide. That's enough to cause problems.
Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
well thats it SURELY
This was our chance to show we deserve to be in the premier league 2-0 up 3-1 up and lucky to hold on 3-3, very lucky, as brighton had more shots more posession and looked better.
Were going down and we need to accept it and start looking at how its possible to get back up...who'll be staying in the summer and who'll be going....fed up with trying to be positive now, sick to death of seeing away players cheering and celebrating with their fans.
Amazing how liverpool make the game look so easy and we make it look so hard
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This was our chance to show we deserve to be in the premier league 2-0 up 3-1 up and lucky to hold on 3-3, very lucky, as brighton had more shots more posession and looked better.
Were going down and we need to accept it and start looking at how its possible to get back up...who'll be staying in the summer and who'll be going....fed up with trying to be positive now, sick to death of seeing away players cheering and celebrating with their fans.
Amazing how liverpool make the game look so easy and we make it look so hard
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
VAR is **** and I don’t like it, but I didn’t think it was handball either?
Antonio was getting tired and is playing with a hamstring that seems to tweak everytime he plays. Not sure he should’ve kept him on, but Masuaku was a disaster.
Their 2nd goal is the catalyst for not winning here. At 3-1, Brighton looked like they were in panic. They ****ed up from a goal kick which Antonio totally wasted. However, step forward our CB’s who have produced blooper of the season and gave them a goal they had to do absolutely nothing to get. What follows is the panic from us and the massive confidence boost for them of how easy it is for us to give a goal away.
Antonio was getting tired and is playing with a hamstring that seems to tweak everytime he plays. Not sure he should’ve kept him on, but Masuaku was a disaster.
Their 2nd goal is the catalyst for not winning here. At 3-1, Brighton looked like they were in panic. They ****ed up from a goal kick which Antonio totally wasted. However, step forward our CB’s who have produced blooper of the season and gave them a goal they had to do absolutely nothing to get. What follows is the panic from us and the massive confidence boost for them of how easy it is for us to give a goal away.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
To be fair, when the board promised ‘next level’, I don’t think they were specific about which direction.
You could just tell what was going to happen as soon as we conceded the initiative and let them come at us. So West Ham...
You could just tell what was going to happen as soon as we conceded the initiative and let them come at us. So West Ham...
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
Haller isn't playing well, but doesn't help when every player is 30 yards behind him. If you tried to play football like Brighton where you have 1 or 2 players dropping between the lines to pick the ball up, he might stand a better chance, but Moyes isn't interested. He wants the ball wide and then crosses going in.SpongeBob's Pants wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:18 pm
Haller is absolutely anonymous and to be honest, a bit of a joke. He isn't up to this standard.
35% possession at home to Brighton. Doesn't really sound encouraging.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
We're not getting out of this. We had that vital game won and all that was required to see us over the line, was a bit of decent management and captaincy and we have neither. 3-1 up with 20 to play, was not asking much
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
2-0 up and 3-1 up. "I win, it's what I do". :evil:
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
Yeah, some people including Moyes think Masuaku is a decent player. And for 25 minutes he should be able to simply not be a liability but hey ho.
Seriously listening to the radio and you'd thing he was poised to replace Ronaldo at Juve people really rate him highly. I don't understand it but the logic of swapping a pacey player on the left for another pacey player on the left isn't the most bizarre of substitutions.
I still think what cost us was not subbing Noble and Soucek when they were clearly knackered. One because, well we know why, and the other as he hadn't played competitively for weeks.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
35% possession today. At home. Against Brighton.
Nothing more needs to be said. Reap what you sow Sullivan you little welsh cock.
Nothing more needs to be said. Reap what you sow Sullivan you little welsh cock.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
Tomas only signed this week and played 85mins, did not look shattered to me,and played well.jacko wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:05 pm Noble was really poor in the second half and put that down to tiredness. Him and the new bloke looked shattered. Moyes made the wrong sub and he acted too late. Masuaka is an abysmal player. I honestly don't know how he gets on the pitch. He is a gilt edged chance waiting to happen.
The shape of the team was destroyed by him coming on and we collasped. Worst thing was that it was totally avoidable and we played them into to the game.
MOyes is useless.
But I agree Noble was shattered, and should have been subbed.
Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
Taking Antonio no off I have no issue with at all, he was knackered. However Arthur is ****ing b*llocks and Moyes changed the shape of the team. Its isn't at all a reasonable sub if you are not making the correct call to replace him.Faithless wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:12 pm The Antonio for Arthur was a perfectly reasonable substitution. Antonio was tiring, we are truly ****ed if he picks up an injury, we were 3 - 1 up and in theory you're replacing a more attacking player with a more defensive player to shore up the left. Unfortunately Arthur is actually terrible defensively, has less positional sense than Antonio and doesn't recover as well. Granted a number of us wouldn't have been remotely surprised to see Arthur hit an uncontested pass into the opposition or Diop lack the ability to head the ball...
However if Moyes and Irvine couldn't see that Noble was spent at the 70 min mark or that Soucek was also starting to flag then I really can't understand why. It was blindingly obvious that both needed replacing and unlike other games were he's had nothing on the bench today he had both Lanzini and Fornals to come on. So no excuses today.
Why not play Masuaku where Antonio was and let him run his b*llocks off for 20 minutes closing the ball down, or better still make the midfield substitutions that were needed earlier and defend higher up the pitch. No, he left Haller starnded and put on a defender who can't defend in a defensive position. He'd have been better off putting Snodgrass there.
Moyes can't be held accountable for the defenders not doing their individual jobs, but he can for the the ****ing car crash of a decsion with personnel.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
Moyes should have replaced Antonio for Fornals not Masuaku but OMG its not Moyes fault for Fabby punching a ball into Oggys back and their goal to go 3-2 wow! Diop and Oggy with Murray a yard behind them and they have the ball. Either one could have cleared it. 3-2. Its brainless defending.
Moyes should be applauded for the set pieces but he got it wrong with Masuaku. He clearly hasn,t seen him play much from when he was last in charge.
Moyes should be applauded for the set pieces but he got it wrong with Masuaku. He clearly hasn,t seen him play much from when he was last in charge.
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Re: West Ham Utd v Brighton and Hove Albion match thread
I'd love to know what people saw Noble do in the first half that meant he should be on the pitch at all, never mind the second half.
Literally the only positive impact I remember him making was when he did his taken-out-by-a-sniper dive (when he hadn't been touched) to win us the free kick, which we then Keystone-Copped so badly it deserves to be hung on a wall for future generations to laugh at. Other than that he was chasing shadows. Lovely air shot ending up sat on his arse, mind.
Someone needs to show Moyes a reel of our players 'since' he was last the manager, the dour scots c*** thinks he's still in 2017.
Literally the only positive impact I remember him making was when he did his taken-out-by-a-sniper dive (when he hadn't been touched) to win us the free kick, which we then Keystone-Copped so badly it deserves to be hung on a wall for future generations to laugh at. Other than that he was chasing shadows. Lovely air shot ending up sat on his arse, mind.
Someone needs to show Moyes a reel of our players 'since' he was last the manager, the dour scots c*** thinks he's still in 2017.