Possible Takeover Bid ?

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Whitters » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:47 am

Graza wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:10 am
The right answer is to go back in time and convince Coe and Co that it needs to be built properly to be a football stadium most of the time - as many said at the time go and look at the Stade De France that converts to an athletics stadium in hours. Why the **** we are left with this mess when the obvious solution was staring us in the face... Christ...
Whilst this is true, the gaps in the Stade de France are a lot bigger than ours even, especially behind the goals. However it is fair to say it looks a lot more joined up around the seating areas than ours could ever be. Ultimately though, a converted athletics stadium is never really suitable for football no matter what technology is used.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by fjthegrey » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:49 am

Make the running track smaller and have the c**** do an extra lap if it ain't long enough.

How hard is it?

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by hammerofthedogs » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:58 am

fjthegrey wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:49 am
Make the running track smaller and have the ***** do an extra lap if it ain't long enough.

How hard is it?
:thup: :lol:

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Graza » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:24 pm

Whitters wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:47 am
Whilst this is true, the gaps in the Stade de France are a lot bigger than ours even, especially behind the goals. However it is fair to say it looks a lot more joined up around the seating areas than ours could ever be. Ultimately though, a converted athletics stadium is never really suitable for football no matter what technology is used.
In fairness it was built in 95. We were awarded the 2012 Olympics in 2005. In between the city of manchester stadium was constructed in 2000.

The toilet bowl construction started in 2008. Given all of those projects and the time in-between I simply do not believe it was beyond the ken of man to come up with a stadium that could be multi purpose, easily convertible and frankly less shambolic than the current reality.
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:46 am
I think because they never planned for it to be used for anything but athletics, Puff, they didn't see the need for retractable seating. It was massive blunder.
This is the issue, they had intended to take the top tier off and leave it as a 25k athletics stadium, or more precisely a barely used white elephant/eyesore as almost all Olympic stadiums become. The Icelandics tried to get involved early, offering to put money in as long as it was a convertible stadium, but pride and wilful ignorance/negligence/lack of care for cost meant we are where we are.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Denali » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:28 pm

Wilko1304 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:32 am
I still think there’s a possibility of making it a stadium, they’d just have to rip the insides out. I don’t know how difficult or expensive that would be, but must be cheaper than starting again.
It is often a lot more expensive to retrofit. Time is the most expensive commodity in construction and disassembling a building with the proper care as to not damage it takes a lot of time. Depending on the extent of the intervention, I think it would be less expensive to build anew.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by SullySpecial » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:50 pm

If you rip the insides out, the only thing left is a giant mecchano set, and it will still be way too big for purpose. You’d have to build an 80,000 seater stadium to make it look less ridiculous. Need to face facts - unless a moneybags owner rocks up, flattens the whole thing and starts again, we’re stuck with it.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Wilko1304 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:12 pm

Denali wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:28 pm
It is often a lot more expensive to retrofit. Time is the most expensive commodity in construction and disassembling a building with the proper care as to not damage it takes a lot of time. Depending on the extent of the intervention, I think it would be less expensive to build anew.
That's a fair logic and damn shame. Especially as it's clearly not easy to get rid of that retractable seating, it's not even easy to use it as retractable seating!
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:50 pm
If you rip the insides out, the only thing left is a giant mecchano set, and it will still be way too big for purpose. You’d have to build an 80,000 seater stadium to make it look less ridiculous. Need to face facts - unless a moneybags owner rocks up, flattens the whole thing and starts again, we’re stuck with it.
I dunno, if you use all that space wisely, there could be something there. It would cost an insane amount, but if you made the stands tighter, you could have a larger area underneath where you could probably fit things in. I've got this wild and insane vision of shops and such in a now larger area where the awful concourses once were, hotel rooms and corporate areas higher up behind the stands, even possibly offices. It's almost certainly impossible, but then it is much nicer in this place where I don't hate everything about the club and something has gone right for once. Leave me be in here.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by snooperpooper » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:31 pm

Mega Ron wrote:
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We have a covenant on one of our gardens that says we can't build and run a Dog Kennels on it :lol:

Apparently a real concern of the people that sold the land.
Build the kennel on the garden that doesn't have the covenant and stick a cattery on the one that does.

Simple planning advice, you can have that one for free Ron :lol:

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by szola » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:41 pm

Sooner or later, the athletics legacy will fade, and the tracks will be removed.
GSB don't care for the UX. They're banking on the stadium being sold to them on the cheap.
Same as for WHUFC.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Heysel76 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:44 pm

The only way they would buy it, is if they knew they could sell it on, no way would they take on the running costs of the OS

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by fjthegrey » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:47 pm

Heysel76 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:44 pm
The only way they would buy it, is if they knew they could sell it on, no way would they take on the running costs of the OS
Wouldn't our market value would rise significantly if we owned the stadium?

That'd be reason alone for them to take it on.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Estuary » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:04 pm

fjthegrey wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:47 pm
Wouldn't our market value would rise significantly if we owned the stadium?

That'd be reason alone for them to take it on.
Its sometimes a balance sheet neutral thing. The asset value being offset by the running costs.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by bonzosbeard » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:11 pm

Wilko1304 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:12 pm
That's a fair logic and damn shame. Especially as it's clearly not easy to get rid of that retractable seating, it's not even easy to use it as retractable seating!



I dunno, if you use all that space wisely, there could be something there. It would cost an insane amount, but if you made the stands tighter, you could have a larger area underneath where you could probably fit things in. I've got this wild and insane vision of shops and such in a now larger area where the awful concourses once were, hotel rooms and corporate areas higher up behind the stands, even possibly offices. It's almost certainly impossible, but then it is much nicer in this place where I don't hate everything about the club and something has gone right for once. Leave me be in here.
The only problem is the metalwork that holds the seats up is in fact the structure of the stadium. There isn't even a back wall. The roof is attached to these massive metal pillars that hold seats up. This was what was known as the temporary upper tier for the Olympics and was going to be removed which would have left just the 25000 lower tier which is sunk in the ground.
You either remove everything or it stays as it is now. There is no physical in between.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by fjthegrey » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:13 pm

Full ownership should surely see a decent uptick in potential commercial income.

If her Ladyship is as good as is claimed at increasing our turnover, she'd be white hot for West Ham to have ownership of all the commercial potential.

Aren't we basically a caged bird at the moment due to the fact the LLDC or whatever the hell they're called now taking basically anything we make via those channels?

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by stammer » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:23 pm

fjthegrey wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:13 pm


If her Ladyship is as good as is claimed at increasing our turnover, she'd be white hot for West Ham to have ownership of all the commercial potential.
For all the chutzpah, power dressing and probing of attention seeking inadequate's on the Apprentice can you see one thing that we have done commercially where you thought, that's clever or different to what anyone else has done or doing ? Just bog standard milk them till their nipples fall off football fare from what i see.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by SEAHammer » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:03 pm

fjthegrey wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:13 pm
Full ownership should surely see a decent uptick in potential commercial income.

If her Ladyship is as good as is claimed at increasing our turnover, she'd be white hot for West Ham to have ownership of all the commercial potential.

Aren't we basically a caged bird at the moment due to the fact the LLDC or whatever the hell they're called now taking basically anything we make via those channels?
The current 'owners' the government are losing huge amounts of money, what on earth makes you think West ham would do better? The reality is the stadium will never compete with Wembley, the Emirates, or the Spurs stadium unless 10's if not 100's of millions are spent. There is nothing to indicate that even with that money invested a profit would be made ... there is a very good reason that around the world ex-Olympic stadiums fall into disrepair, they're simply not worth keeping.

Levy said it "we would remove the current stadium and build a purpose built multi-use stadium in it's place" that was and is the only answer, all the other ideas are just fanciful dreaming. It will happen but it may come to late for us.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Paolo's Piranhas » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:05 pm

stammer wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:23 pm
.. can you see one thing that we have done commercially where you thought, that's clever or different to what anyone else has done or doing ?
Swap clever for devious and you can have..

Exploiting the mascots
Trying to put the disabled season tickets up by 100%
The selling of the ground in an odd looking development deal
Massive profits on tickets people resell through the ticket exchange
Club Cash
The board owned 0871 number for the ticket office

the list goes on and on and on.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by fjthegrey » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:13 pm

I cannot believe the OS wasn't talked about as a potential NFL stadium. Genuinely baffling to me.

It's perfect. I don't think there's any aspect of the place that doesn't perfectly suit an NFL game. The huge spaces surrounding the stadium for tailgating activities, the actual shape of the stadium and the spaces between the touchlines, the fact it's an iconic space and would be appealing to tourists, the likelihood that Westfield would actually want that type of fan in their shopping centre.

I don't see how Spurs stadium is more suited or more appealing to the NFL as an option. That's a missed opportunity right off the bat.

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Ironing Board » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:20 pm

fjthegrey wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:49 am
Make the running track smaller and have the ***** do an extra lap if it ain't long enough.

How hard is it?
Here’s a cunning plan. Instead of moving seats closer to the pitch, just extend the pitch out to the seats! We will have a very unusual playing surface that will befuddle our opponents, handing us a competitive advantage!

We can load up on one side of the pitch, then launch back four proof long diagonal balls to Anderson!

For added entertainment value we can make the extended part of the pitch AstroTurf, so our opponents all end up with bad knees!

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Re: Possible Takeover Bid ?

Post by Mega Ron » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:41 pm

SEAHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:03 pm
The current 'owners' the government are losing huge amounts of money, what on earth makes you think West ham would do better? The reality is the stadium will never compete with Wembley, the Emirates, or the Spurs stadium unless 10's if not 100's of millions are spent. There is nothing to indicate that even with that money invested a profit would be made ... there is a very good reason that around the world ex-Olympic stadiums fall into disrepair, they're simply not worth keeping.

Levy said it "we would remove the current stadium and build a purpose built multi-use stadium in it's place" that was and is the only answer, all the other ideas are just fanciful dreaming. It will happen but it may come to late for us.
The two main reasons the stadium loses money are:

1) moving the seats for events
2) our peppercorn rent. We pay £2.5m pa and it costs much, much more than that to put on our games.

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