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Re: Man City (Non-WHU)

Post by painter pete » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:45 am

The media are loving it - 5th place gets champions league!!

Reality is they will go court of arbitration and get a suspended sentence at best

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Post by prophet:marginal » Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:34 am

This is a truly murky situation, when you start looking at the detail. The bloke who 'hacked' internal emails is now in custody, in Portugal for other things, and the club's stance has been that it doesn't matter what has been found, the information comes from an illegal source.

At face value, the club seems to have both broken the rules as to how things get paid for and also conducted itself in the most arrogant way possible, when, at every turn, called upon to explain what has happened.

It's the same behaviour as Robert Maxwell used to deploy, which is a threat of counter-suing at every possible juncture.

I couldn't give a flying one, either way, whether they are in or out of the CL, but this is just an early pitstop in a longer running saga.

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Post by westham,eggyandchips » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:11 am

painter pete wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:45 am
The media are loving it - 5th place gets champions league!!
Mourinho and the boys will have a soppy smile on their faces this morning.

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Post by spod » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:50 am

If Tottenham qualify for the Champions League in their place, I’m going to appeal.

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Post by BARKING IRON » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:14 am

Reality is the city we had an affiliation with is dead and has been for 10 years they seem the most manufactured club even worse than the west London slags. At a click of a finger buying two full backs in the same position for 60m each it’s just reeks, a lot of fans have a problem with Liverpool but when you step back they seem to have done it the right way Andy Robertson 8m TTA academy prospect even VVD they tried to nab him in the summer failed didn’t panic and got there man on January 1st. The worse thing for city fans is no one even cares when they win the league there’s no rivalry there it just feels dirty, hand on heart city fans probably preferred the Chase cheering on players like Goater and Dickov beating Man Utd 4:0 with Sinclair and SWP

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Post by Korea Hammer » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:30 am

spod wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:50 am
If Tottenham qualify for the Champions League in their place, I’m going to appeal.
Or Sheffield United :shock:

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Post by vietnammer » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:51 am

spod wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:50 am
If Tottenham qualify for the Champions League in their place, I’m going to appeal.
:lol:

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Post by GreenIron » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:57 am

What I don’t understand is why the SFO aren’t all over it - or maybe they are and it just hasn’t gone public yet.

Better get the popcorn in.

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Post by Believer » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:04 am

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... r-21500681

Whole can of worms.

As sad as it is, we will probably have her ladyship crowing about how we have abided by the rules etc somehow painting them as saints.

I'm actually sick of football at the minute

Edit - going back to City, if and it's a huge if, they were relegated it would be a waste of time anyway as their squad if sold would see them accrue sufficient funding to buy themselves successful promotion(s) anyway resulting in them getting new 'sponsorship' to place them back specifically where they are now.

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Re: Man City (Non-WHU)

Post by keithwright1977 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:32 am

This is corruption at the highest level of football and something needs to be done. The premier league have a duty to stamp this out and a points deduction seems little more than a slap on the wrist. I would relegate Man City and impose sanctions limiting them to what they spend over the next few seasons

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Post by Porkeyes » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:47 am

keithwright1977 wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:32 am
This is corruption at the highest level of football and something needs to be done. The premier league have a duty to stamp this out and a points deduction seems little more than a slap on the wrist. I would relegate Man City and impose sanctions limiting them to what they spend over the next few seasons
Limiting the amount all these pricky “big” clubs spend would be a start along with the business plans to hoover up all the best talent just to loan it out in case the player turns to gold. These businesses are like the trawler with the biggest net depleting the fish stocks for the traditional local family boats.
Football and the sport of it is a farce now and I can’t see it changing.

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Post by prophet:marginal » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:58 am

Korea Hammer wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:30 am
Or Sheffield United :shock:
Or, The Saudi Blades, as I now like to call them.

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Post by fjthegrey » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:07 am

The Scimitars.

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Re: Man City (Non-WHU)

Post by Da Vinci » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:12 am

MARTIN SAMUEL: Financial Fair Play is just a UEFA protection racket... this is payback by the elite clubs who hate Manchester City
Manchester City did wrong but Financial Fair Play is designed to protect UEFA
City have been banned from European competition for the next two seasons
City did wrong but in the face of rules that are there to protect a privileged elite
Consider models of Manchester City and Manchester United and recent success
Financial Fair Play was corrupted by those at the top from when it was created
By Martin Samuel - Sport for the Daily Mail
Published: 21:13, 14 February 2020 | Updated: 23:49, 14 February 2020

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There will not be much sympathy for Manchester City in football this morning. They misled UEFA and its Club Financial Control Body.
They inflated figures, deceived over revenue streams, and the size of their punishment, the suspension from European competition, the fine of £25million, is confirmation of the gravity of this offence.
If this case is proven after appeal, City did wrong, that is unarguable. Yet they did wrong in the face of rules that are there to protect a privileged elite; put in place to prevent unexpected journeys to the top of football’s pyramid. You know, the interesting stuff.


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There will be little sympathy for Manchester City following their Champions League ban


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Financial Fair Play was corrupted from birth and is designed to protect a privileged elite
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It is possible to acknowledge City’s wrongdoing but still hold nothing but contempt for the system that has found them guilty. For the secret briefings, the pressure placed on UEFA to ring-fence their primary competition for the select few.
Financial fair play was corrupted from birth by those at the top, warped into the most naked protectionism. It was supposed to be about debt, but ended up placing limitations on owner investment. A club loaded with debt, like Manchester United, is fully compliant; a club without debt, like City, is not.
The money City threw at their project initially was to try to get inside football's fancy castle before the establishment upped the drawbridge.
The money City threw at their project initially was to try to get inside football’s fancy castle before the establishment upped the drawbridge. Leicester are a much better run club than Manchester United, but United can still sweep up their best players each summer. Harry Maguire last year, in all likelihood James Maddison in a few months’ time.
Why? Financial fair play. That’s how it works. It is intended to cement a handful of elite clubs in place and shut the rest outside, unable to grow, to present a sustained challenged, even if they want to or are successful. Fairness is just the sell. Don’t be fooled. It was never meant to be fair.


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A club loaded with debt, like Man United, is fully compliant; a club without debt, like City, is not
Consider the models of City and United, the way those clubs are run, the investment in infrastructure, in the local area, the women’s game, consider the quality of the football, the comparative success recently.
What’s the better football club? The one that faces a two-year ban from Europe, or the one that stands to benefit from their absence?
No wonder David Gill and his allies graft so hard in those corridors of power, no wonder Ed Woodward devotes his time to the executive board of the European Club Association. Ferran Soriano, chief executive officer of Manchester City, thought he was in line for a place within the ECA.
Then there was a little pushback and suddenly he wasn’t, unlike board members at United, Arsenal and Liverpool — the traditional red alliance that controls English football, and holds meetings to which rivals are not invited.
United and Liverpool even got to vet Richard Scudamore’s successor at the Premier League, it is claimed. It seems some clubs really are more equal than others.
City will now take their case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, the first time it is to be heard by a body not linked to UEFA. European football’s rulers brought this case, heard this case, and have now passed sentence.


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Manchester United and Liverpool reportedly got to vet Richard Scudamore's successor
At CAS a list of independent arbiters will be provided, with City choosing one, UEFA another, plus a CAS selection, to make the three-strong committee.
The appeal is likely to be heard soon because any delay would throw next season’s Champions League into chaos. City will certainly lodge an injunction against this punishment if CAS are unable to hold their hearing before the start of next season.
It will continue to be a bitter dispute, a fact City's statement on Friday night made clear.
‘In December 2018, the UEFA chief investigator publicly previewed the outcome and sanction he intended to be delivered to Manchester City, before any investigation had even begun,’ City’s statement read.
‘The subsequent flawed and consistently leaked UEFA process he oversaw has meant that there was little doubt in the result he would deliver.’
A cynic would further speculate that the reason the UEFA punishment is so strong — a two-season ban — is to allow wriggle room at the appeal stage. Even if CAS have sympathy for City and halve the sentence, the club is still exiled for a year. Had they received a 12-month ban, it would have left arbiters with a binary choice.
Yet leaving aside the legal process and potential developments there, this remains a hugely damaging punishment for City. If the established elite wanted to ruin them and Sheik Mansour’s project — and be in no doubt that they do — it really could not have worked out better.


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Two years without European football may impact upon Kevin De Bruyne and Raheem Sterling
Nobody at City can say for sure how the prospect of two years outside Europe and a reduced budget will sit with Pep Guardiola. He has insisted he will serve a fifth year next season, but will he have the same appetite for working with a significant handicap?
The European ban is the gift that keeps on giving for City’s rivals. Without the Champions League revenue stream, to stay compliant with FFP will greatly reduce their transfer budget this summer, at a time when it is clear Guardiola needs to significantly rebuild his squad.
Players such as David Silva are retiring, others are reaching the end of their careers, while expensive recruits, including John Stones, have fallen short of expectations. City need major improvements in central defence, central midfield and more support in the forward line for Sergio Aguero.
The prospect of two years without European football may also impact on the careers of key players such as Raheem Sterling or Kevin De Bruyne, who will be targets for the same major European clubs that have agitated so strongly for City’s punishment. Neat, isn’t it?
When City were first fined £50m by UEFA for financial breaches in 2014, the main reason for accepting the penalty was the fear of reputational drag; that if the case was prolonged the uncertainty and negative publicity would have a longer impact on City’s business than a quick settlement, however financially painful. Yet that is the situation in which they are now placed.
It is impossible to talk to agents, or clubs, about potential recruitment while not knowing the financial capacity of the club across the next two years. Guardiola, or a replacement, cannot be presented with a coherent business plan — beyond an unappealing worse-case scenario — until this is resolved.
Say Guardiola wishes to leave and City target Mauricio Pochettino as his replacement. What can they tell him about next season, or the year after? What is his budget, what would represent a realistic rebuilding project, given limitations?
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City could find recruitment difficult without being able to offer Champions League football
Leicester, and Sheffield United, even Wolves, have shown that success is not solely about transfer expenditure, but City’s project requires forward momentum. They do not have a famous name, like Manchester United or Liverpool. A mid-table City could find recruitment as difficult as it was when the project began.
In that way, at least, FFP is working. Indeed, it has worked beautifully for those that devised it, that shaped it, the established elite.
It has achieved its intention, to protect those clubs who see a place at the top table as theirs by right. All those meetings, all those briefings, all of the skulduggery that is perfectly legal, at least it wasn’t in vain.
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Re: Man City (Non-WHU)

Post by Graza » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:16 am

Pocket Pardew wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:15 pm
Won’t actually be enforced. Not sure how Man City could be guilty but PSG, Barca, Juve, and Real Madrid can’t be?
Throw in Monaco, Chelsea, frankly Sheffield Utd, Everton, Wolves plenty of others.

If they want to play this game they should be consistent but as we know very well football law is rarely enforced with any consistency.

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Post by prophet:marginal » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:20 am

fjthegrey wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:07 am
The Scimitars.
News that they plan, next season, to have the team to run out to 'Stone Me' by Van Morrison, has been dismissed as rumour-mongering.

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Post by pezza20 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:30 am

Da Vinci wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:48 pm
Saracens in the rugby prem were found guilty of something similar and ended up being relegated to the championship next season. I know that this is a European football ruling and nothing to do with the league so no relegation. Saracens decided not to appeal or they would have had to open their finances up for scrutiny and decided to take their medicine. Today Alliance have pulled their two million pound stadium and shirt sponsor deal with Saracens for next season. So I wonder if this will affect any of Cities sponsorship deals. Not that they need it but that counts towards their income so they may have their hands tied in the transfer market if sponsors were to pull out. :?
Doubtful as their biggest sponsor is .. well .. Etihad, who are funnily enough government owned too ... So no I doubt they will be short of a few bob.

I'm surprised they haven't been caught our sooner as its left pocket right pocket.

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Post by OFT » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:31 am

I've just been sent this message,;
In an act of solidarity with Manchester city West Ham football club have announced that for the next two seasons they won't be competing in the champions League.

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Post by Believer » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:44 am

Can someone tell me what the difference is with Real Madrid and Barcelona being funded by their cities or local councils ?

Having an unfair advantage is cheating. Simple as that. The problem is that teams like Man City and PSG do not have the history that Liverpool, Man Utd, Barcelona and Real Madrid have hence why teams such as those 4 are kind of left to their own devices.

The greed in football is what has effectively killed it. I've said for a while that I suspect the bubble will burst. As and when it does, clubs will disappear. Teams like us who have allowed ourselves to rely solely on Sky money will fold. Sullivan quoted that the move was worth approx £10-12m extra to us. We don't own the ground so we have no way of generating any extra income. We have lady muck in charge of commercial sponsorships and although Betway is significant, the rest of our sponsorship money is poor in comparison.

Teams like Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Villa, Leeds etc who all own their grounds will survive. They will secure naming rights and have additional income through property next to their homes (hotels, businesses, apartments etc), whilst we own 2 dumpy training grounds that are security against current loans. 125 years of history and all we have to show for it now is Rush Green and Chadwell Heath - training facilities that are worse than Burnley.

City although in a slightly better position than us stadium wise, don't own it. However they do own their fantastic training ground and a significant amount of land surrounding the Etihad. Successful forward thinking clubs have a plan B in case they either fall off the gravy train or it comes to a halt. We on the other hand could disappear in to no mans land.

If UEFA are going to continue with this crusade against Man City, they need to leave no stone unturned and investigate the financial practises of all clubs in all leagues or it will just seem a lame and bitter exercise. In fact, it could come across as nothing short of racism. Either shake up European football from top to bottom or just let the rich dominate forever. They can't have it both ways.

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