The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

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Do you support the Board's plans to move WHUFC to the Olympic Stadium post-2012 games?

Yes
727
57%
No
412
32%
Undecided
139
11%
 
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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by Pop Robson » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:21 pm

paulhs1 wrote: West Ham are keen to explore installing retractable seating and Armitt said that is a possibility - but will be costly.

He added: "In terms of West Ham's or anybody else's ability to use it for football, then yes they will have to make some adjustments but they will cost a lot less than it would do to build a new stadium.

"We have stuck to our principle of having an athletics stadium as well so I think at the end of the day we are in a pretty good place.

"We could have designed in retractable seating from the outset - but that would have cost more undoubtedly, so we didn't. But to go back now and change the lower tier and retro-fit it into a retractable solution clearly can be done and that's an option which West Ham or anybody else have."
Problem solved simples

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by kthammer » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:57 pm

Is this significant?
Does the fact that Spuds have now been offered tay payers money to stay in Tottenham mean that we are the only 'big' football club left? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16810475" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It seems that the board have now left Seb Coe with no-one wanting to develop the OS.
Personally, I still want us to move, especially if this now means we get it on our terms.
is it an option simply to take down the seating and leave it as a vast 20,000 stadium for athletics or some lower league club?

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by Mr_Andersonn » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:56 pm

kthammer wrote:Is this significant?
Does the fact that Spuds have now been offered tay payers money to stay in Tottenham mean that we are the only 'big' football club left? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16810475" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It seems that the board have now left Seb Coe with no-one wanting to develop the OS.
Personally, I still want us to move, especially if this now means we get it on our terms.
is it an option simply to take down the seating and leave it as a vast 20,000 stadium for athletics or some lower league club?
In the short term the stadium must remain as is for the 2017 world athletic championships. Athletics have also been granted a 99 year lease.

After the 2017 world championships it could potentially be downsized, but in either configuration it would not be suitable for a club the size of Orient

My guess is that we will still put in a tender weighted heavily in our favour, and one which will be negotiated and contested every step of the way.

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by Pop Robson » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:18 pm

Haven't seen this posted

West Ham are believed to be one of the 16 parties to have expressed an interest in moving to the Olympic Stadium after the 2012 Games.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/16831357" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by paulhs1 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:14 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympi ... aborn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Excluding football from Olympic stadium will be London's greatest mistake, says Caborn
By Sportsmail Reporter


Olympic chiefs are now paying the price for snubbing football when designing the London 2012 stadium, former sports minister Richard Caborn has claimed.

At a meeting in February 2007, the Olympic Board ruled out further discussions with any top-flight club about changing the design of the £468million stadium to cater for football after the Games.

West Ham had been interested but at that board meeting then Olympic Delivery Authority (ODA) chairman Sir Roy McNulty was told to inform the club of the decision.

Building work then started on the stadium based on the original design to keep the running track in place and without any plans for retractable seating to allow easy conversion for a football club to take place.

Caborn was due to tell a debate at the Oxford Union that it was a costly mistake to initially snub football.

He said: 'It was a great opportunity missed and we are paying the price for it now.

'We should have used the Manchester City model and designed it so that the stadium could be retro-fitted for football - using retractable seating and keeping the running track in place.

'The Olympics will be a great success but we have underachieved in a number of areas in legacy, including participation in sport and the Olympic Stadium.'

As sports minister, Caborn had championed football for the stadium but was over-ruled by others on the Olympic Board including London mayor Ken Livingstone, Olympics minister Tessa Jowell, London 2012 chairman Sebastian Coe, and British Olympic Association chairman Lord Moynihan.

It was only after Boris Johnson replaced Livingstone as London mayor in 2008 that he started to push for a football legacy.

The future of the stadium still remains uncertain after, in October, the Government scrapped a decision for West Ham to take it over following legal challenges from Tottenham.

The process has been reopened and the Olympic Park Legacy Company this week received 16 expressions of interest about taking over the stadium, and although West Ham remain favourites they want the public purse to pick up the £95million bill for converting it to football.

The Oxford Union are debating the motion: 'This House believes that the London Olympics will deliver the promised legacy', and Caborn is opposing the motion. BOA chief executive Andy Hunt is speaking in favour.

Caborn was also due to argue that the failure to hit targets on increasing sports participation is partly due to cuts to funding to school sport.
Current ODA chairman John Armitt admitted last month that, with hindsight, it may have been better to have built the stadium specifically for a football club to move in afterwards.

Armitt said: 'There was a commitment that there would be an international athletics stadium. We didn't want a white elephant so we consciously said let's design something which is demountable and can go from 80,000-seats to 25,000 post the Games.

'Today with hindsight would you have done a Manchester City solution? Maybe, but that would have cost quite a lot more. At that time our focus was on keeping within budget and keeping the costs down.

'What I think we have got is a superb stadium from an engineering point of view.'

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by paulhs1 » Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:12 pm

The atmosphere at the millwall game yesterday was fantastic. Can anyone see us getting the same at the olympic stadium?

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by bobcar » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:22 pm

'What I think we have got is a superb stadium from an engineering point of view.'
He's not an engineer or he wouldn't make that statement. To be superb from an engineering point of view it has to be fit for purpose and whilst it may be good for the Olympics the design for after that was poorly thought out.

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by TheAlmightyAmmer » Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:54 pm

paulhs1 wrote:The atmosphere at the millwall game yesterday was fantastic. Can anyone see us getting the same at the olympic stadium?
I was thinking exactly the same. You can wave goodbye to any sort of atmosphere like that in the OS IMO.

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Post by Mr_Andersonn » Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:09 pm

paulhs1 wrote:The atmosphere at the millwall game yesterday was fantastic. Can anyone see us getting the same at the olympic stadium?
That would depend largely on the number of fans in the stadium. Again I would refer you to many of the large stadiums around the world that have running tracks. They all generate a great atmosphere for the right occassion.

Its the fans rather than the venue that will create the atmosphere. 45000 to 50000 West Ham fans surely would...

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by Pop Robson » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:02 pm

Mr_Andersonn wrote:
That would depend largely on the number of fans in the stadium. Again I would refer you to many of the large stadiums around the world that have running tracks. They all generate a great atmosphere for the right occassion.

Its the fans rather than the venue that will create the atmosphere. 45000 to 50000 West Ham fans surely would...
How many of these stadiums are in this country ?

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by TheAlmightyAmmer » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:07 pm

It wouldn't when you can't see the 1000 Millwall fans in the otherwise closed end of the stadium from the other side of the pitch

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by Pop Robson » Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:16 pm

TheAlmightyAmmer wrote:It wouldn't when you can't see the 1000 Millwall fans in the otherwise closed end of the stadium from the other side of the pitch
They'll let 10,000 millwall over to fill the place and 5,000 extra police :lol:

Hang on who pays for the police, the club, the OPLC or joe public ?

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by Mr_Andersonn » Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:27 pm

TheAlmightyAmmer wrote:It wouldn't when you can't see the 1000 Millwall fans in the otherwise closed end of the stadium from the other side of the pitch
On the basis that we are assuming we are going to be in the premier league then we wont be playing Millwall. Instead we will have to outsing 10,000 Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal fans....

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by TheAlmightyAmmer » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:24 am

Oh the joy of it. Also looking at other clubs with new stadiums I'd say there's very little to assume we'll definitely be in the Premier League

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by paulhs1 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:19 am

Karren Brady..."We are totally committed to the olympic stadium"....Like there was ever any doubt!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... nt-stadium" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady insists the club remain committed to the idea of moving to the Olympic Stadium.

The Olympic Park Legacy Committee abandoned the original deal to sell the venue to the Hammers last October amid concerns over delays caused by legal challenges from Tottenham and Leyton Orient.

The stadium will now remain in public ownership after the Games and will be rented out from 2014 to the successful bidder.

Reports last week suggested the Hammers had cooled their interest in the prospect but Brady insists their hat is still in the ring.

She told The Independent: "I wouldn't be dragging my body to all the meetings, or reading through a 900-page document every night, if we weren't still committed.

"We do genuinely believe that we could make the stadium a success, both in terms of our physical presence, and encouraging football supporters to become involved in other sports.

Serious
"It's too big and too serious a conversation to say 'if I were betting'. And I don't want to negotiate in public. This is a serious process to make sure everything is right.

"We're not going there for one match, it's 99 years. But our commitment to make the stadium work is still there. Bids are due in by 23 March, and we've done that."

Brady admits she was bitterly disappointed to see West Ham's proposed takeover of the venue fall through after playing a central role in preparing their original bid.

"My biggest disappointment is that I spent two years of my life getting to be preferred bidder for the Olympic Stadium," she added.

"It was their competition, their rules, and we abided by that, and then not being the preferred bidder, and having to go through another process, is like someone giving you the keys and then changing the locks.

"We should now be planning a future there, as opposed to having to go back and review everything."

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Post by taffhammer » Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:51 pm

Two questions ,whats the difference between the 'State aid' we would have got to help with the stadium conversion and ' aid ' spuds will get to make it possible for the local area to cope the numbers when they build a bigger ground ?
And who would an anonymous caller ring to suggest it is state aid the day after the bidding process for the OS closes ?

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Post by Mr_Andersonn » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:41 pm

taffhammer wrote:Two questions ,whats the difference between the 'State aid' we would have got to help with the stadium conversion and ' aid ' spuds will get to make it possible for the local area to cope the numbers when they build a bigger ground ?
And who would an anonymous caller ring to suggest it is state aid the day after the bidding process for the OS closes ?
It seems quite hypocrytical of Spurs doesn't it and they don't even have to pay anything back!

Our "Newham Loan" to the best of my knowledge was going to be paid back into the community in the long term.

When you consider Stratford though it has billions in public funds invested in the infrastructure.

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Post by taffhammer » Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:06 pm

Intresting thing is unless the anonymous caller rang again and claimed they were also receiving state aid and as such gaining an unfair advantage then it would point to them making the call in the first place.

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Re: The Olympic Stadium [new poll]

Post by brownout » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:38 pm

Brady says club committed to Olympic Stadium.
She also said they would poll fans.
So does she mean club committed to Olympic Stadium if that's waht the fans want?

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Post by Hammer110 » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:34 pm

brownout wrote:Brady says club committed to Olympic Stadium.
She also said they would poll fans.
So does she mean club committed to Olympic Stadium if that's waht the fans want?
Just because she committed to a poll doesn't mean the club have to abide by the result of it!

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