23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

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23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby mywhufc on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:31 pm

On Thursday the 23/2/12 at 6pm the supporters advisory board Olympic committee will meet to discuss what the club will reveal about their plans. This could possibly be the only form of consultation taking place. All SAB members have been asked to consult with fans to find out their views. Use this thread to tell those on here that are members what you think so far about the clubs plans. Try and stick to what is known, not alot I know, not what you summise. If you prefer to pm me feel free.
We have no way of knowing if the club will consult with all fans so this could be the only way.
All comments welcome either pro or anti, I obviously represent anti views but I'm sure other members of the SAB will view this thread.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Johnny Byrne's Boots on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:56 pm

Ask what will replace the 'lost' revenue. By that I mean the money from naming rights and hiring out the stadium for other events, which would have gone to West Ham as leaseholders, but will now go to the OPLC as landlords with West Ham mere tenants.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby hammersk on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:10 am

Please explain that I am for the move. I'm sure there'll be no shortage of dissenters.

I don't currently have a season ticket, but I will buy (at least) one at Stratford, even if I can't go every week.
Within my office alone, there are 5 other non ticket buying Hammers that have come with me, or in my place in the past.

All half decent teams are looking to move to 50-60,000 seat arenas and the going rate appears to be £400-500 million,
so the prospect of achieving that for substantially less would appear to be a lottery win,

That being said, rights to revenue streams, naming rights, subordination rights, and stadium configuration are key.

As for questions,

- Assuming that we are the only gig in town for the OPLC, how can we be sure that we are getting what's right for us?
- and is the current tender framework even right for us to be complying with?

- If the rules were changed, to accept a stadium re-configuration, would that re-open the door for Spurs?
- Why did we not fight Spurs' right to bid for a stadium in our Borough (legal boundary)?
- Why did we allow Orient to win the PR battle over who was the local team, given that there is a legally defined boundary separating us and and the stadium (Newham) from Orient (Waltham Forest)
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby IronMaiden123 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:02 pm

The Olympic Stadium is entirely unsuitable as a club football ground and no amount of 'reconfiguration' within the practical possibilities will change that. Why are we still wasting resources on this farce? Do we see the buying and redevelopment of the 'white elephant' post 2017 as a practical possibility and how much would it cost to buy athletics out?
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby AJ on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:58 pm

well can we actually have some concrete plans from the club instead of well we might bid we might not, we might do this with the stadium we might not, how can we make a decision when we dont know the options the club has.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Francoisvander or else on Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:19 am

Can I have a beer and a bite to eat in a part of the ground that has cover from the elements or will it be shitty little pods outside the stadium. Will there be enough free disabled parking bays for all of our disabled supporters or will they be expected to stump up £12.50 per game :thdn:
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Pop Robson on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:44 pm

Considering the club have sold reduced priced tickets since G&S took over the club. With 99% of the tickets deals being been right up at the back of the BMU or West Upper as these are the least popular seats due to the distance from the pitch.

What pricing structure to they envisage being needed to secure a sell out or near sell out 60,000 at at every game in the OS where even the nearest seats are further away ?
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby AMC1964 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:30 pm

I have previously been very pro-Stratford. Mainly because of the prestige and transport links giving us access to new support and building a great club for the future.

However, with the debacle over the abandoned/rejected bid now firmly in the past, and the oplc's plans to only allow a brief tenancy, given my business background, I find it entirely ludicrous and irresponsible that the club is continuing to deal with these people. The government has taken the Athletics sausage and hidden it in a dark and nasty place. we have no need to deal with them further. Or else we may find we are being fed the dodgy end of the sausage!
I urge the club to call the bluff of the OPLC now and withdraw from the bid process unless assured tenancy rights are given up front. Let the lycra clad athletics hordes (all 10 of them) run round the track with 2000 Orient nigels.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Francoisvander or else on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:57 pm

hammersk wrote:Please explain that I am for the move. I'm sure there'll be no shortage of dissenters.


Would love to know why you dont have a season ticket now and won't buy one next year but the thought of watching football from a distance of 50 yards in a stadium with thousands of exmpty seats has you creamming your pants, and don't say it's the price because I haven't seen anything to suggest season tickets will be cheaper,individual games howevere are another matter :think:
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Hammer110 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:53 pm

AMC1964 wrote:I have previously been very pro-Stratford. Mainly because of the prestige and transport links giving us access to new support and building a great club for the future.

However, with the debacle over the abandoned/rejected bid now firmly in the past, and the oplc's plans to only allow a brief tenancy.


Not true, from the Stadium Competition - Memorandum of Information:

OPLC wrote: The Olympic Park Legacy Company Limited (OPLC) is commencing a competition inviting bids from parties wishing to use the Stadium after the 2012 Games; interested parties are invited to bid for a concession to provide sporting, entertainment and/or cultural content. OPLC will select bidders to use the Stadium by way of one or more concessions in the Stadium for a minimum term of 5 years and a maximum term of 99 years.


And anyway I doubt that the Daves would sign a lease with no option to renew no matter how long.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby AMC1964 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:31 pm

Mate, if that's correct, thanks for pointing this out. I agree that the porno boys are a touch more astute.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Mr_Andersonn on Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:55 pm

I also believe that the Daves will try to negotiate the lease and increase it. They want 250 years.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby ammo on Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:19 pm

Enjoyable meeting tonight.
Karen Brady very articulate, she is one impressive lady. I know a lot of people do not like her but I have heard her speak at these meetings a couple of times and I really can't help but like her. I'm very glad she works for West Ham and not one of our rivals.

Can't say much about the content of the meeting I'm afraid.

They have not yet decided whether they are going to bid for tenancy or not and will make a decision by 23rd March.

If they do bid, it will be because it will be right for West Ham - i.e. world class stadium, a home for West Ham not just a place where we play, seating /views right etc.

I'm sorry I cannot say anymore but we had to sign an agreement and we do not want to jeopardise the bid if they do indeed decide to make one.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby WHUTerry on Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 pm

Agreed. Karen Brady came across well. Very positive and productive meeting.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Doc H Ball on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:55 am

Pleased that 60 or so people got the details of our bid.

Maybe the remaining 29,940 regulars will get them after a decision is made on their behalf....
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby bendavids on Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:20 am

Doc H Ball wrote:Pleased that 60 or so people got the details of our bid.

Maybe the remaining 29,940 regulars will get them after a decision is made on their behalf....


We didn't get the details of the bid. What we did get was to be told that they weren't sure if they were going to bid yet. It's a confidential process, they can't splash it all over the website/ in the programme without jeopardising the process. Simple as that unfortunately.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby paulhs1 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:16 am

bendavids wrote:We didn't get the details of the bid. What we did get was to be told that they weren't sure if they were going to bid yet. It's a confidential process, they can't splash it all over the website/ in the programme without jeopardising the process. Simple as that unfortunately.


I fully appreciate that the members of the SAB have the clubs best interests in mind, however IMO there is no reason why an SAB member should be privvy to confidtial information any more so then any season ticket holder or member.
The fact that 5 other people have voted for you to join the SAB is irrelevant, as I think most people could probably find 5 people to do this.
I genuinely mean no disrespect, but I do not see why an SAB member has any more right to see this then anyone else!
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Rio on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:31 am

paulhs1 wrote:I fully appreciate that the members of the SAB have the clubs best interests in mind, however IMO there is no reason why an SAB member should be privvy to confidtial information any more so then any season ticket holder or member.
The fact that 5 other people have voted for you to join the SAB is irrelevant, as I think most people could probably find 5 people to do this.
I genuinely mean no disrespect, but I do not see why an SAB member has any more right to see this then anyone else!



It wasn't simply down to finding 5 people to nominate you. You also had to submit an application form stating your intentions, skills and suitability to become a member of the SAB.

Seems a more democratic process than having the nation run by a man who polled less than 40% of the nations votes at the last election.
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby paulhs1 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:43 am

Ok, so how are you any more qualified then anyone else to be on the Olympic committee, are any of you architects or specialists in stadium design etc? Do any of you have degrees in construction or experience in the field, as if not then other then having to put your skills, intentions and suitability on a form, which in all fairness could have been written by anyone, how does this constitute a democracy or in fact any gain to the process?

Theres no malice in my questions by the way im just trying to establish what the SAB actually has to offer that most other fans don't have?
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Re: 23/2/12 SAB Olympic consultation

Postby Georgee Paris on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:14 pm

I'm a little bit SAD that I'm not down with the SAB.
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