An excellent reply and was just what I was looking for, it answers a lot of my questions, I hope you dont feel like you will be 'blamed' (as Pinky put it) by either myself or anyone else for that matter, not just on this forum but elsewhere.
It should not be like that.
I feel nothing of the sort. As individuals we are all entitled to our opinions rather than join bandwagons for the sake of it.
I do, however, think that some people join the anti brigade without looking at the whole situation and emotions become involved without even thinking about the practicalities.
mushy wrote:The problem is as I see it is that because there has been a signing of what appears to be the equivelent of the official secrets act signed by members of the SAB, and the fear of reprisals from 'no' voters it all looks a bit sort of clandestine to those of us not at the meetings. This I think you will agree makes people naturally suspicious, us supporters believe we have a right to know whats going on and the reasons why, this is all I am asking.
Can you tell me (if you know) what is the reason the club asked you to sign the non-disclosure forms and their purpose? It cant be that it will give our competitors in the bidding process a heads-up as we as far as I can tell are the only football club going for it.
It maybe that because you have signed that form you are even unable to answer, did the club ever explain why you were asked to sign it, and was it a condition of joining SAB?
For goodness sake, this has been previously explained.
It was a confidentiality document - please leave out the drama!
The OPLC requested this action and in order to submit a bid, WHUFC had to agree. We were told beforehand and I am sure that if anyone had a problem with this then they would have been able to speak to Tara, Esha or anyone else involved in this matter.
What we were told, that we are unable to pass on, was such a miniscule amount of information, albeit important, compared to the rest of the (OS) SAB meeting.
Please, to all concerned, hold back any scanty feelings of paranoia - all will be revealed and I am sure that, afterwards, you will understand why. It is for the benefit of our club and on that matter, you will have to try and trust us as a group, fellow ST holders and supporters of our club. Thank you.
mushy wrote:As for your reasons for the move, I cant and wont argue with any of that, to me its just a matter of wait and see though, see what the plans are and what we are going to get, this sort of makes a yes or no vote at this stage not quite right.
I agree. I think the most crucial and more dynamic vote will be the one after the plans of the bid are revealed. Of course, the anti brigade will say that we shouldn't have submitted a bid without the fans being consulted in the first place. I agree with this too but due to the OPLC laying down certain restrictions, I think that the feedback from any consultation would be flawed without all the details of the bid being available to all. Would you think of moving to a new house if you didn't know all the details?
mushy wrote:Its like those who vote labour or Tory at a general election, not because of the party policies and what they have said they will do but because they always vote that way.
Anyway I digress.
My fear (its the only word I can think of) is this word 'progress' that you use, will we progress or will we fade and die?
I just have not seen enough yet to convince me that we will actually progress,if the fans leave this club in their droves then where does it leave us all?
Anyway please continue to keep us updated, and please all of you 'yes' voters, feel free to express your views without fear of lynching, I rather feel that all of this has become a little too melodramatic.
Maybe I used the word 'progress' too much. I mean movement towards something that will move us, as a club, forward. There seems to be a lot of negativity towards the move on here and it is not completely something that I have heard away from this forum. Of course I understand the reasons and I am good friends with a lot of people who are completely against the move to the OS but I do feel that there are people who are positive towards the move but feel disloyal to our club. I understand that but in order to progress we need to leave some of the old emotions behind.
I have a child of 13 who has been a ST holder since the age of four. We all (well, a lot of us) have kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews who want to follow West Ham into the future. Do you really think, that in 30 years time, when he is a middle aged man, he will be enjoying the delights of sitting in the Boleyn? How much longer do you think it will last? How much longer, for example, can we have a stadium that does not even have any hot water?
People have said they will leave, won't renew their ST's, never attend a match again, if we move to the OS. How many other clubs supporters have said this when their move has been necessary? How can we promote West Ham as a club, to the next generation, if we keep up this ongoing negative attitude?
I want to see the future generation watch a match in a stadium where they will enjoy the surroundings, facilities, make an atmosphere themselves and understand what watching West Ham is all about. I would like to think, as an older generation, we can help and promote the 'West Ham Soul' and move it on.
It's up to us, the current attendees at the Boleyn to help our club move on into the future and provide an atmosphere that keeps them, our future generations, continue it on.