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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by Clacton-ammer » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:13 am

I'm not quite with many of you that FIA had to have a Ferrari win, saying that, I can understand why many think that as Leclerc did get away with a bit... :D

Made for a great race though :thup:

As for Vettel, agreed, he is shot and needs time out the limelight, far too many mistakes for a driver of his pedigree.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:26 am

Bend it like Repka wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:00 pm
Mate, that race was all about the new ownership of F1 doing their best to make sure Merc don't win every week.
My goodness. If you genuinely believe thats whats going, why even watch it?

Its a nonsense, and you know it. Mercedes didn't win because they wasn't fast enough ALL WEEKEND. So when Hamilton and/or Bottas wins its all down to Mercedes being a superior car, yet when Ferrari win, it's been engineered by the FIA?

Some of you need to get a grip.

Mercedes WILL win the constructors and Lewis WILL win the title (deservedly so I might add), but this conspiracy stuff is garbage.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:59 am

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:26 am
My goodness. If you genuinely believe thats whats going, why even watch it?
Listen to the BBC podcast and Sky's review. All the ex-drivers on both programs felt Leclerc should have been penalized at least once. The black and white flag was a huge cop-out. They all felt after last week that the sport 'needed it' and 'we are in Italy' .

It was wrong, Hamilton would have overtaken him (then we don't know what would have happened)

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Post by k-r-c » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:58 pm

Should have been a penalty. But being in Ferraris back yard meant they didn't want to upset everyone.

Hamilton moved right to avoid contact - I notice on the skypad an FIA reprasentative suggested if there was contact between them then there would have been a penalty but that didn't sit right with me as Hamilton basically moved off track to avoid damage as a puncture or worse would have ruined his race.

I am all for hard racing but Leclerc really pushed the boundaries and will be interesting to see what king of overstakes or non overtakes happen between now and the end of the season.

I find it interesting after the death the other week that they were happy with a driver basically forcing another off track.

I think they were more protecting their F1 product as another Mercedes win was not as good for the product as a Ferrari one was by far.

Also think the penalty to Stroll was harsh, it was Vettels fault he ended up where he was and had to move his car off the racing line.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:07 pm

wolf359 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:59 am
Listen to the BBC podcast and Sky's review. All the ex-drivers on both programs felt Leclerc should have been penalized at least once. The black and white flag was a huge cop-out.

No. They said could have, not should have. A massive difference.


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They all felt after last week that the sport 'needed it' and 'we are in Italy' .
Again, incorrect. Nobody said that other than people that feel there is some sort of conspiracy to assist Ferrari with little or no evidence to back it up. When was the last win for Ferrari at Monza?

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by Bend it like Repka » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:40 pm

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:07 pm
No. They said could have, not should have. A massive difference.
I suggest you read Palmers column, which is excellent

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863

I ask again. Name the last F1 race where you have seen the black and white flag waved?

Also explain how Verstappen was given a 5 sec pen for this last year at Monza, yet nothing this year for the same move.



Could it be that penalising a Ferrari in front of the Tifosi played a factor in the stewards bottling it? Still carry on
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Again, incorrect. Nobody said that other than people that feel there is some sort of conspiracy to assist Ferrari with little or no evidence to back it up. When was the last win for Ferrari at Monza?
Well they should have won last year but tehy put their number 2 driver on pole and Vettle then spun when under pressure from Lewis. Not much the FIA can do for them in those circumstances. And in 2017 they were so far behind they needed nitro, not the FIA.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by Chicken Run Supreme » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:53 pm

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:07 pm
When was the last win for Ferrari at Monza?
2010.
Ferrari have won more Italian GPs than any other
manufacturer with 20 victories which is twice as many as their closest competitor McLaren with 10.

Palmer's BBC column is telling. A dangerous precedent has been set.

The truth of the matter is that Leclerc may not have even needed to push Hamilton off . Hamilton could have overtaken him for sure, but with the different tyre strategies Leclerc could have possibly regained the lead anyway as Hamilton's tyres fell away, but we'll never know.

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Post by wolf359 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:02 pm

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:07 pm
No. They said could have, not should have. A massive difference.
"Charles Leclerc drove wonderfully on Sunday to win the Italian Grand Prix - but he should have been penalised for forcing Lewis Hamilton off the road at the second chicane."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/49629863


No they said should. This is just one example shall I link them all?

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:51 am

Oh no, we're back to quoting Jolyon Palmer and his BBC column. :o

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Post by Clacton-ammer » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:04 am

Eggy, I'm not one for the conspiracy either, saying that, I do think the stewards may have made a different judgement if had not been at Monza. That can be the same as a ref giving a pen to us in the 93rd minute at Old Trafford to win the game, pressure, not conspiracy.

Leclerc dodged a "small" bullet for me. For racing/race it made it more exciting so I'm not against it.

In regards to the black & white flag, no conspiracy there, the drivers asked to let them race and bring the black & white flag back fairly recently - that's how I understand it anyways.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:16 am

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:51 am
Oh no, we're back to quoting Jolyon Palmer and his BBC column. :o
ex-F1 driver, unless you are Nigel Mansell then I say he has a better opinion than all of us.

Anyway I'll leave it there, most of the world has one opinion, you have yours. Nothing more to add really.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:03 pm

3rd pole in a row for LeClerc. FIA have played their part again. Well done them. :lol:

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:56 pm

Merc seem to have messed this one up, strange tactics. Lewis in lead, not pitted and needs a safety car or he will be at best 4th

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:12 pm

Vettel forcing drivers of the track again.. stewards "nothing to see here...move along"

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:54 pm

safety car x3 ,Yawn. F1 needs to get rid of these **** tracks, being able to easily pass has to be a mandatory requirement (applies to the **** fest that is Monaco as well)

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:57 am

Christ that was painful towards the end.

With the Ferrari and to some extent the Red Bull matching Merc, Hamilton not having it all his own way.

However, those safety cars ruined his race in preserving the Ferrari tyres massively but was a risky strategy for a tight street circuit I thought. Lots of years we've had multiple safety cars.

Didn't think that LeClerc could really moan too much, Vettel was excellent yesterday and did the best job of anyone cutting through traffic when he had to, although Ferrari did **** him on strategy a little.

He is a prize helmet a lot of the time and has damaged his legacy the last couple of years but when he gets it right , he is very good imo. Unfortunately doesn't get it right much now but I quite like him, seems like an engaging character when interviewed away from the race environment.

Hamilton will still win this year but he must be happy Leclerc has been **** out of luck a few times this year.

I could quite conceivably see Hamilton retiring this season if the cars seem as well matched for the rest of the year. Go out at the top , 6 titles, nothing at all to prove .

Unless Mercedes find some unlikely significant pace advantage, I think he'll call it a day. It's the sensible move .

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:02 am

wolf359 wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:54 pm
safety car x3 ,Yawn. F1 needs to get rid of these **** tracks, being able to easily pass has to be a mandatory requirement (applies to the **** fest that is Monaco as well)
Can you imagine the ****ing uproar if they got rid of Monaco?? :lol:

I 100% agree though, utterly tedious and the race result more often than not settled by Saturday afternoon. I don't usually watch it much more than ****ing back and forth to it on my phone.

I get the history angle but that didn't stop Lady Brady knocking down the Boleyn. Time to modernise F1.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:24 am

White Goodman wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:57 am


I could quite conceivably see Hamilton retiring this season if the cars seem as well matched for the rest of the year.
No Chance he'll quit.

White Goodman wrote:
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Go out at the top , 6 titles, nothing at all to prove .
He wants 8, he has the car and ability to do it too.
White Goodman wrote:
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Unless Mercedes find some unlikely significant pace advantage, I think he'll call it a day. It's the sensible move .

Mercedes will always have an advantage at the majority of circuits. Lewis knows that, why quit?

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:15 am

I think I said if the cars continue to move to what looks like parity.

I am not sure if they will and you're right , if Merc continues to have a technical advantage , then he won't quit

I just think without that advantage potentially, he won't beat these guys over a season now.

I could be monstrously wrong on that obviously. Have been before :lol:

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by Clacton-ammer » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:28 am

If the cars get parity next season I cannot see Lewis quitting, he still appears to have that fire in his belly, he wants as many records as he can. Not sure though he would move to a lesser car/team again like he did with Mercedes and become part of a project to become No.1. All be it it worked out rather well for him!

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