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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:04 pm

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Massively amateur, hope they take each off
Just realised I paused it to get a cup of tea , I've been commenting 5 minutes behind 😄

So hope Ferrari get ****ed here

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:15 pm

Wing man Bottas engaged - hold up Leclerc please no. 2

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:20 pm

Leclerc smashing his tyres. Let's hope Verstappen on the mediums comes last him in 10 laps

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:25 pm

Bottas is a great rear gunner.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by aaronhammer » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:27 pm

Hamilton, Leclerc, and Verstappen is a great battle and advert for F1. Would be great if we get it at the end of the race.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:32 pm

Albon quietly moving from Pit Lane to 6th, he is not Max but he is showing he can cope with it.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:33 pm

Would be even better if Red Bull had roughly the same power as the other two teams. Verstappen doing brilliantly to keep that Red Bull anywhere near the others

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:44 pm

Ferrari have embarrassed themselves again today.

Vettel miles faster than anyone else today and they couldn't have known about his mechanical failure prior to hanging him out to dry to allow Leclerc to go past him.

Laughable

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:48 pm

26 points for Lewis, if it wasn't done before it is now. The Ferrari soap opera will be interesting in the near future. Props to wingman held off Leclerc well (though he wasn't under as much pressure as I thought he'd be) .

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Post by k-r-c » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:39 pm

The problem with yesterday was that Ferrari clearly said to their drivers - Leclerc make sure to give Vettel a tow and not Hamilton so we can take the top 2 positions and claim a 1-2 finish.

Vettel clearly got a great slip stream then basically disobeyed their agreement before the race to let Leclerc past.

You can bet your life next time Leclerc is aked to help his tamemate he wont be so forthcoming - he got screwed two races in a row by Ferrari.

To be honest it was ridiculous anyway, why did't they just let Vettel lead and say to lecLerc hang back and you can use the pitstops to jump him. Leclerc clearly wrecked his tyres following Vettel so long and when the pit stops were coming around he had nothing eft to push and get close to Vettel - then Ferrari basically hung out Vettel to make sure Leclerc could jump him.

Embarassing from Ferrari.

Hamilton drove well to be fair without really being a threat and it all just come together for him. The strategic call to start on mediums worked out due to the safety car however this must have been in their mind when they took that option - as probably they knew they couldn't deal with the Ferrari's off the start.

However one thing is for sure - Ferrari have magically found a serious amount of pace.

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Post by Clacton-ammer » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:24 pm

Ferrari have found a lot of pace, shame it was not 5 or so races back for us the spectator.

It really is a pantomime there, I just cannot see Vettel seeing out his last year, both sides can't want that, they are a laughing stock. Vettel was flying yesterday, he is a great front runner when very little pressure on him..

Mercedes were 2nd best and yet come in 1 & 2, all over now, Lewis is king of the world yet again, he really is one of the true greats of F1.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:00 pm

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Mercedes were 2nd best and yet come in 1 & 2, all over now, Lewis is king of the world yet again, he really is one of the true greats of F1.
The real shame in yesterday is we'll never know if the Mercs were 2nd best in full race trim, Lewis was going nicely on the Mediums and it would have been great to see him try and chase down the Ferrari's on newer Softs later in the race. We were denied a potentially great race.

Hopefully all three teams (well Max) will be close all year next year, however as each years ends they talk of convergence and then one team(normally the Mercs) disappear off in the sunset come the next season. I'm pretty sure a 6 time WC Lewis would love a real season long battle with Max and Charlie.

As widely said Seb is toast at Ferrari and I can see him a Red Bull next year, but would leave a number of big questions on his partner and Leclerc's

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by Clacton-ammer » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:16 pm

That's a fair point Wolf. Still think Ferrari had Merc's number yesterday, have not said that much this season. Safety car/breakdown ruined what could have been a cracking end to the race.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by White Goodman » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:12 pm

The long and short of it is that unless Ferrari, as an F1 team, stops with the Keystone Cops ****. Hamilton will bend them over year after year.

Poor reliability and strategic ineptitude just can't be your MO if you want to beat Hamilton, he's just too consistent at this point in his career.

Still staggered at the "in race" punishment of Vettel at a time when he was a big odds on favourite to win the race.

Utterly stupid *****.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by view from the shires » Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:08 pm

With regards to the Honda power unit, I think they are pretty much up with the Mercedes engine for peak power in race trim. Having seen the cars up close now I think their issue may be in the lower rev ranges. Not only does the Honda sound like a bag of spanners the Red Bulls don't quite seem to pull out of slow corners like the Ferrari and Mercedes cars.

Ferrari have picked up pace by copying the Mercedes concept for the nose, which seems to work much better with their package than the direction they were going in. Next year will be interesting as Mercedes may need to remove downforce to compete with the Ferrari straight line speed. The Ferrari looks the better car at the moment, but we have seen too many false dawns in the last few years to know if it will actually stay that way. WG is correct in his assertion that until they are able to stop snatching defeat from the jaws of victory they will continue to be second best. I thought Binotta was doing a much better job than Arrivabene as Ferrari chief, but it seems they are a bit Spursy still (or dare I say it - like us).

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by k-r-c » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:47 am

Qualifying moved from Saturday to sunday due the the typhoon.

Qualifying 2am here. race 6:10am.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by Row X » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:14 am

k-r-c wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:47 am
Qualifying moved from Saturday to sunday due the the typhoon.

Qualifying 2am here. race 6:10am.
Wet, windy, 2.5 hours between quali and race.... imagine if you binned your car during quali

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by aaronhammer » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:34 am

Just caught up with it all.

Can somebody explain why Kimi got a penalty in the last race for the exact same thing that happened with Vettel today?

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not warned and ordered to pit despite bits flying off his car? Lewis is lucky nothing hit him in the head and only his wing mirror.

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not penalised in the race (after initially it said no further action) when he rammed Max off the track?

I’m pleased to see Ferrari back with a very competitive car, but the recent FIA Ferrari decisions have been ridiculous.

Anyway, congratulations to Mercedes for a 6th consecutive constructors championship. Well done for Bottas who drove really well today too.

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by wolf359 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:08 pm

aaronhammer wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:34 am

Can somebody explain why.......
Being Red in any sport provides you with a special set a rules (and having a Veto on 2021 regs when they need to be decided in 2 weeks helps) .

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Re: Formula1 2019

Post by view from the shires » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:20 pm

aaronhammer wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:34 am
Just caught up with it all.

Can somebody explain why Kimi got a penalty in the last race for the exact same thing that happened with Vettel today?

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not warned and ordered to pit despite bits flying off his car? Lewis is lucky nothing hit him in the head and only his wing mirror.

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not penalised in the race (after initially it said no further action) when he rammed Max off the track?

I’m pleased to see Ferrari back with a very competitive car, but the recent FIA Ferrari decisions have been ridiculous.

Anyway, congratulations to Mercedes for a 6th consecutive constructors championship. Well done for Bottas who drove really well today too.

I can answer the first one. There is a sensor under the car and in the track. The car has to move a certain distance before the lights go out and the false start sensor is activated. Vettel only moved a very small amount before collecting the car so did not initiate a false start.

First lap incidents are generally treated with more leniency that incidents further into the race when there are fewer cars around and tyres and brakes are fully up to temperature. Red Bull will have [protested to get the incident re-opened after the stewards said there was no case to answer. Pulling Max in due to the damage caused will strengthen their case when it is reviewed.

It was nice to see Lewis follow team orders and hand the win to Valterri. He could easily have stayed out on the medium tyres while in the lead and defended his position. He owed Valterri for being aided earlier in the season, although I think if the championship was closer he may have made a different decision.

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