Knees up Mother Brown Forum:

k-r-c wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:47 am Qualifying moved from Saturday to sunday due the the typhoon.

Qualifying 2am here. race 6:10am.

Wet, windy, 2.5 hours between quali and race.... imagine if you binned your car during quali

Just caught up with it all.

Can somebody explain why Kimi got a penalty in the last race for the exact same thing that happened with Vettel today?

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not warned and ordered to pit despite bits flying off his car? Lewis is lucky nothing hit him in the head and only his wing mirror.

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not penalised in the race (after initially it said no further action) when he rammed Max off the track?

I’m pleased to see Ferrari back with a very competitive car, but the recent FIA Ferrari decisions have been ridiculous.

Anyway, congratulations to Mercedes for a 6th consecutive constructors championship. Well done for Bottas who drove really well today too.

aaronhammer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:34 am
Can somebody explain why.......

Being Red in any sport provides you with a special set a rules (and having a Veto on 2021 regs when they need to be decided in 2 weeks helps) .

aaronhammer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:34 am Just caught up with it all.

Can somebody explain why Kimi got a penalty in the last race for the exact same thing that happened with Vettel today?

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not warned and ordered to pit despite bits flying off his car? Lewis is lucky nothing hit him in the head and only his wing mirror.

Can somebody explain why Leclerc was not penalised in the race (after initially it said no further action) when he rammed Max off the track?

I’m pleased to see Ferrari back with a very competitive car, but the recent FIA Ferrari decisions have been ridiculous.

Anyway, congratulations to Mercedes for a 6th consecutive constructors championship. Well done for Bottas who drove really well today too.

I can answer the first one. There is a sensor under the car and in the track. The car has to move a certain distance before the lights go out and the false start sensor is activated. Vettel only moved a very small amount before collecting the car so did not initiate a false start.

First lap incidents are generally treated with more leniency that incidents further into the race when there are fewer cars around and tyres and brakes are fully up to temperature. Red Bull will have [protested to get the incident re-opened after the stewards said there was no case to answer. Pulling Max in due to the damage caused will strengthen their case when it is reviewed.

It was nice to see Lewis follow team orders and hand the win to Valterri. He could easily have stayed out on the medium tyres while in the lead and defended his position. He owed Valterri for being aided earlier in the season, although I think if the championship was closer he may have made a different decision.

Pitting Hamilton whilst in the lead with 10 laps left was a strange one. Bottas was not closing the gap and Hamilton had mediums on - i cant help but feel had he stayed out he would have won as its not an easy track to overtake and Bottas tyres would have been too old also bythe time he caught up (if he did) to launch an overtake.

Seemed like it was Mercedes way of letting Bottas win as they run different strategies and it was fairer that way than asking Hamilton to move by and let Bottas past.

Had Hamiltons tyres had really faded that badly he would have come third anyway - i guess they wanted the bonus point to ensure the championship however Leclerc could quite easily have taken that point.

Team orders it seemed like to me and Hamilton played ball rather than do what Vettel does and just not listen to what the team ask him to do - as a pre arranged agreement also (ala last race).

I love it when Bottas gets a win. The guy's nickname should be dead rubber.

Almost any other driver on the grid could do his job (Grosjean and Stroll excluded)

Perfect support for Hamilton or any other number one driver.

Still maintain that Hamilton will quit this year

He's taken his chances when they've come this year and driven some amazing races but if the Ferrari had better reliability (and weren't so stupid strategy wise) he'd still be in a battle this year.

They aren't going to f*** it up forever surely?

^^^^ hamilton 'feels like giving up on everything' (BBC)

Lewis Hamilton has written on social media that he feels "like giving up on everything" and posted about the positives of going vegan.

The Formula 1 world champion wrote the lengthy post on his Instagram Stories calling the world "messed up".

The Mercedes driver sold his private jet in a bid to go greener and in September opened Neat Burger, a plant-based restaurant in London.

"Go vegan, it is the only way to truly save our planet today," Hamilton wrote.


He continued: "I'm sad right now with the thought of where this world is going.

"Extinction of our race is becoming more and more likely as we over use our resources."

In the post, which is no longer available to view, Hamilton stated "education is key" and admitted it had taken "32 years to understand the impact" he is having on the world.

more...

Do we worry (if that's the right word) for his mental health yet?

Doesn't Hamilton own a private jet?

Oh right just fully read the post . He's sold it .

I can't think of anything else with which he involves himself which requires moving huge amounts of equipment around the world for the benefit of very rich people .

I can't see how the same biomass of farm animals now, as wild ruminants foaming the plains of America and Savannahs of Africa 250-300 years ago can be the cause of global worming either. Have farts evolved to have a higher methane content?

Alonso bringing the lolz by calling out the world's most laughable environmentalist

"Fernando Alonso told Spanish radio: "I would never release a message like Lewis. You can't send out a message one day and the next day do the opposite.

"We all know the lifestyle that Lewis has, and that Formula 1 drivers take 200 planes a year. You can't then say: 'Don't eat meat.'"

Read this morning in the paper on the way to work, that Hamilton claims he will be carbon neutral by the end of this year.

Of course he will, he's involved in a sport that basically means moving tonnes of stuff around the world every other week for 9 months of the year, plus the fact he has to drive on the red line of a motor for around 5 hours every other weekend.

He's got a lot of off-setting to do :lol:

That's priceless , when will these celebs realise that nobody gives a f*** what they think about the environment when they are doing about 1000 times as much damage to it than your average person.

They clearly think a mea culpa approach will give them some credibility .

FP1+2 done, tires are falling apart all round, looks like a solid two stop. Ferrari's with their dodgy PU in the distance and seemingly un-catchable over one lap.

Row X wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:47 am Read this morning in the paper on the way to work, that Hamilton claims he will be carbon neutral by the end of this year.

Of course he will, he's involved in a sport that basically means moving tonnes of stuff around the world every other week for 9 months of the year, plus the fact he has to drive on the red line of a motor for around 5 hours every other weekend.

He's got a lot of off-setting to do :lol:

And people wonder why he's so disliked?! :lol:

Max rightly demoted from pole, I think he can think himself lucky it starts 4th, they usually take a very serious few of avoiding safety procedures.

Ferrari 1-2, what could go wrong :lol:

Lewis edges closer to a 6th title, despite his usual moaning at first did a superb job making the tyres last.

wolf359 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:17 pm did a superb job making the tyres last.

Emphasised what clean air can do when driving at altitude. Another great drive by him though.

Absolutely. An epic drive made to look so simple by Hamilton. Hard to do that in any sport.

I just wish he'd do it without the customary teenage angst.

Either that or he's just taking the piss as he knows it is broadcast but I knew as soon as he started moaning about the tyres after about two minutes that he would be there or thereabouts at the end.

Not much else to say, he's just ****ing good isn't he and whilst I give him a hard time on this thread sometimes (which he usually invites ) , the maturity and professionalism in the way he is performing at this point in his career is fantastic. Top dog, no doubt.

The race reinforced my view that Max is the only one capable of taking it to him and winning consistently (provided that car can eventually compete with the Merc on all tracks).

As I mentioned in earlier posts though , he can't beat Hamilton over a season driving his car off the track for whatever reason. Hamilton scores too heavily even when he is having an off day , over time that crushes his competitors.

Yes he's had some luck this year but he's metronomically made the most of every opportunity as and when it has arrived. Nobody else seems to be doing that.

Verstappen is much more mature than he was but still prone to his emotions governing his actions. That overtake on Bottas was what I like and dislike about him in one manouevre.

There's nobody on the grid who would have gone for that overtake, on a Merc no less, it was breathtakingly cavalier (and overly driven by anger) but also led to a puncture that you couldn't really blame Bottas for as I'm guessing he didn't believe anyone would try that let alone pull it off.

He reminds me of a super talented boxer who gets caught early on the bridge of the nose in round 1 and then can't resist getting drawn into a scrap. Needs to temper that.

If the puncture hadn't occurred , Hamilton would have had Verstappen all over him at some point in that race.

Small margins, which for now at least, Hamilton manages better than anyone out there , which is why he deserves title No. 6 and if the relative performance of the cars remains roughly the same, will see No. 7 follow.

Hope Red Bull can bridge the performance gap so Verstappen doesn't have to take so many risks and can work on his race management a bit.

Still don't think he did a lot wrong yesterday though, the tussle with Hamilton at the start could have gone either way I guess.

Vettel seems to have rediscovered himself a bit since refusing team orders in Russia. He's a bit of a cock but I do like him I find Leclerc a huge bore though and his car to pit radio voice (also known as his voice) just ****ing grates.

At least we didn't have to hear the forced and very unnatural sounding "get in there Lewis" from Bonington yesterday. I prefer the other guy

Finally, in what is becoming a totally rambling post, I think my favourite person in F1 is Christian Horner. The guy is just a brilliant example of what constitutes a great manager, he'd succeed in any industry.

100% the best person to be guiding Verstappen and Albon at this point and married to a Spice Girl . Living the dream

#Bono out

Whitey :lol: Good ramble!

Agree on CH, seems a top guy. Another race where I found myself asking how did Ferrari f*** that up! Shame on Max, agreed though on your comments about him.

Lewis is the master, no doubt.