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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Georgee Paris » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:30 am

Jo bugner is a great comparison. I think he could potentially bulk up again and batter wilder if he wanted and try the same with fury. Don’t think the skinny jab n run approach will work against either of them. Really think wilders one punch and fury’s boxing skills have been over exaggerated since Joshua lost to Ruiz. I think Ruiz would cause both wilder and fury loads of problems.
Joshua deserves loads of plaudits for reinventing himself and coming back with a new game plan and also having the courage to stick by his team.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by jacko » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:04 pm

Joshua fought a decent fight. Stick and move. He did what he needed to do without ever really looking like he was going to hurt Ruiz.

However, I think some perspective is needed here. The Heavyweight division lacks any real quality. The way people are talking it's like Joshua beat Tyson. He beat a dough boy who has been partying for the last few months. Yet Joshua never really opened him up in any way. People go on about Ruiz's hand speed, and yes, he can be dangerous, like any boxer but the guy is so out of shape it's a disgrace.

Ruiz has many flaws and to hear people talking like Joshua proved he's some kind of great fighter is just ridiculous. I think a reasonably in shape Ruiz would beat AJ if they fought again. There is always a sense that AJ is going to go down. When he was caught in the 4 or 5th round he looked like he had crapped his pants again but he recovered well to be fair.

It was a good performance, but let's not go overboard.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Ferret » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:23 pm

Rays Rock wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:04 pm
Fury’s last fight was a poor display. Wilder was not pulling up any trees until the knock out punch last week.
But his Knockout punch is all it takes!.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Georgee Paris » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:32 pm

Olympic gold medalist and two time champion of the world. Think it’s fair to say he’s done a bit better than big Frank and audley Harrison, Daniel Williams, herbie hide or Gary Mason.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Johnny Byrne's Boots » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:05 pm

WHU Independent wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:26 am
I'm no fan of AJ but last night he did what he had to do. Jab the guy at a distance, keep away from his power punches and keep out of close quarters. Boring boxing for sure, but technically he did what he needed to do. It seems as his chin is a bit suspect, so he keeps it out of harms way. Not all heavy weights can have a chin like Frotch - and he wasn't a heavyweight I know.

He has learned: a fit 6ft six guy only needs to jab at a small 20 stone guy for 12 rounds and keep mobile, avoiding big shots. Job done.

He's gonna do the same with Wilder and Fury - if he actually meets them. He packs a decent punch, a good jab and he has a good engine.

Actually an ex boxer I know compared him to Joe Bugner. I had a quick look at some of Bugner's old fights - and IMHO - he's not wrong.
His problem there is they both outreach him. Fury (85") and Wilder (83") have the edge over Joshua at 82", so standing off and jabbing won't produce the same results as it did with Ruiz at 74".

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by fmgod » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:39 pm

Joshua boxed well, no getting away from that but it was Ruiz and a ridiculously heavy Ruiz, let's be honest if they hadn't massively underestimated and been arrogant in the first fight, Saturday would'nt of even happened. Out boxing Ruiz is a whole different task to outboxing Fury, potentially Usyk, Wilder's ridiculous power

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Clacton-ammer » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:33 pm

What do you think the real chances of a Fury / AJ fight are?

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Nesticles » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:05 pm

Clacton-ammer wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:33 pm
What do you think the real chances of a Fury / AJ fight are?
Very slim. There would be promotional obstacles in both US and UK, then you have to assume both fighters and their teams want that fight.

With mandatories and such, I think you will see Joshua Usyk before you see him fight Fury or Wilder.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by jacko » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:04 pm

Joshua still doesn't want to fight anyone who might hurt him. This is why there is talk of Whyte again...he is on to a good thing and will look to avoid Fury or WIlder for as long as he can. Stay humble.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by fmgod » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:56 pm

He''ll fight Pulev and then Whyte or Usyk if he doesn't look comfortable at heavyweight

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Nesticles » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pm

I believe Joshua would fight anyone
Hearn, McCracken and co may have other plans

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by jacko » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:04 am

Nesticles wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pm
I believe Joshua would fight anyone
Hearn, McCracken and co may have other plans
Maybe you're right. WHy take the risk? They are all earning so much money off the back of him.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by englebert » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:35 pm

Joshua doesn't beat Whyte again imo. Whyte has a decent engine these days and Joshua is not going to be able to avoid those left hooks all night.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Georgee Paris » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:42 pm

I know I’m massively in the minority now but I really really don’t rate wilder at all. I think Ortiz would have struggled against Ruiz or Whyte or Parker or even Chisora. Fury has the best skills but I think his journey way have burnt him out. I also think both the mandatory fights lined up for Joshua are more dangerous than wilder.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by fmgod » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:05 pm

Joshua will knock out whyte again

Wilder isn't amazing but has generational power, one punch and it's fight over.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by Arnold Layne » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:41 pm

Just watched Daniel DuBois smash up Fujimoto,think he will do the same to Joe Joyce.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by fmgod » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:25 am

The Tommy Fury fight was hilarious, Dubois needs another step up to really test him, so we can get an idea of how good he is, forget as well he is only 22

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by denzel » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:27 am

Another impressive performance from Dubois, he’s on his way to the top. :thup:

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by jacko » Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:11 pm

Dubois looks good but he hasn't fought anyone decent yet so Joyce would be a really interesting test.

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Re: Boxing thread

Post by only1post » Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:11 pm

22nd Feb for the rematch.

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