Defoe sale = no sense

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:41 am

Amsterhammer wrote:15 - 15

:roll:

know what you mean old boy.......I'm orf to bed now anyway......after a couple of Leffe blondes I should be in for a good kip I hope zzzzzzz

sicknote · Post by **sicknote** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:42 am

Rob wrote:One thing (possibly the only thing) that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread - even if we sell him for 10 mill then, in the way that transfers work now, that would probably turn out to be 5 up front, and another 5 over the course of the contract. Which would obviously limit the amount of rebuilding that AP could do.....

not really the case as we'd just structure our purchases in the same way

unless old muggins from russia turns up with the cash in one go we'll be looking at a payment scheme from every club

Amsterhammer · Post by **Amsterhammer** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:44 am

bonehead wrote: know what you mean old boy.......I'm orf to bed now anyway......after a couple of Leffe blondes I should be in for a good kip I hope zzzzzzz

I won't have that Belgian slosh in the house. Grolsch for me. :lol: Not enough yet though.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:45 am

sicknote wrote:not really the case as we'd just structure our purchases in the same way

Good point. Going to bed now before I come out with anything else equally stupid.

bluebutterfly · Post by **bluebutterfly** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:45 am

Relocated Hammer wrote: He's actually played 22 games this season, including the 3 Carling cup games, and he's scored 16 goals for us. Now in my book that is pretty good statistics.
Now if he repeats that scoring form from February to the of the season, then that will go along way to helping us go back up.
Backs up our case to keep him !!!

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'im indoors mentioned he had only played 15 games.
Must remember to get me facts straight :roll:

East Stand Martin · Post by **East Stand Martin** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:52 am

Rob wrote:One thing (possibly the only thing) that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread - even if we sell him for 10 mill then, in the way that transfers work now, that would probably turn out to be 5 up front, and another 5 over the course of the contract. Which would obviously limit the amount of rebuilding that AP could do.....

Yep, been mentioned before - what hasn't? The sellers concluded that they would like to do business with the Russian as that kind gentleman not only finds a home in ablue shirt for our young stars but also pays cash up front. That way we can go buy Reo Coker or some other unproven player from the foot of Division 1. I can't f**king wait...

Amsterhammer · Post by **Amsterhammer** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:55 am

ESM - the blood pressure mate. :shock: See Mali thread.

East Stand Martin · Post by **East Stand Martin** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:57 am

Amsterhammer wrote:ESM - the blood pressure mate. :shock: See Mali thread.

Nurse! Nurse!

Amsterhammer · Post by **Amsterhammer** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:02 am

East Stand Martin wrote: Nurse! Nurse!

:doff:

Relocated Hammer · Post by **Relocated Hammer** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:10 am

That should help

East Stand Martin · Post by **East Stand Martin** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:11 pm

I'm going to have more to say about the game today when I've stopped frothing at the mouth.

In a nutshell, the best we can now hope for is the playoffs.

Which leads me to this question to all you Defoe sellers:

On today's evidence are you really saying that the strikeforce we will have left after Defoe is gone will give us a fighting chance in the playoffs?

I like Connolly, but let's face it he aint Defoe, and that was proved as early as the 15th minute when a chance which Defoe would have slotted away on 9/10 occasions went begging.

I heard some dick on Radio 5 berating the team and then saying Defoe should be sold for £8 million. How is this going to solve our problems? We have a goal scoring problem and a defensive problem. Selling Defoe will make the situation worse.

dodger · Post by **dodger** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:13 pm

East Stand Martin wrote:I'm going to have more to say about the game today when I've stopped frothing at the mouth.

In a nutshell, the best we can now hope for is the playoffs.

Which leads me to this question to all you Defoe sellers:

On today's evidence are you really saying that the strikeforce we will have left after Defoe is gone will give us a fighting chance in the playoffs?

I like Connolly, but let's face it he aint Defoe, and that was proved as early as the 15th minute when a chance which Defoe would have slotted away on 9/10 occasions went begging.

I heard some dick on Radio 5 berating the team and then saying Defoe should be sold for £8 million. How is this going to solve our problems? We have a goal scoring problem and a defensive problem. Selling Defoe will make the situation worse.

Agreed completely ESM. If we don't keep defoe we won't make the play-offs, which is the only goal for this season now. Defoe is key, and selling him i feel would destroy us. We wouldn't be able to bring anyone in and half the money would go to charlton & brown anyway. Depressing times...

Northern Paulo · Post by **Northern Paulo** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 8:59 pm

East Stand Martin wrote:Which leads me to this question to all you Defoe sellers:

On today's evidence are you really saying that the strikeforce we will have left after Defoe is gone will give us a fighting chance in the playoffs?

I

Yes. Defoe never helped us today did he. :lol: :lol:

sicknote · Post by **sicknote** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:07 pm

i think today highlighted how much the team, which we aren't and nearly every team we play are, are short of quality all around the pitch, and one man, and that man being defoe will not make the slightest bit of differance if he doesn't get the service from the other players, which none of our front men got today, his sale is pardews only hope of making a go of this season, be it getting to the play offs, or building a squad capable pof competing in this league next season, this team plus defoe, is no where near good enough, so improving all areas is vital

sopunds like the keep defoe brigade are now throwing all there eggs in one basket, and he's a basket case alright

Marky · Post by **Marky** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:20 pm

I agree with you on your Defoe stance but he wasn't the problem so much today. If we had him then maybe we would have scored 2 goals but I reckon they would have scored three. ESM, I think you will have to accept that with or without Defoe we will not be top 6 with that defence.

East Stand Martin wrote:I'm going to have more to say about the game today when I've stopped frothing at the mouth.

In a nutshell, the best we can now hope for is the playoffs.

Which leads me to this question to all you Defoe sellers:

On today's evidence are you really saying that the strikeforce we will have left after Defoe is gone will give us a fighting chance in the playoffs?

I like Connolly, but let's face it he aint Defoe, and that was proved as early as the 15th minute when a chance which Defoe would have slotted away on 9/10 occasions went begging.

I heard some dick on Radio 5 berating the team and then saying Defoe should be sold for £8 million. How is this going to solve our problems? We have a goal scoring problem and a defensive problem. Selling Defoe will make the situation worse.

Harveys_HammersLH · Post by **Harveys_HammersLH** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:37 am

sicknote wrote:i think today highlighted how much the team, which we aren't and nearly every team we play are, are short of quality all around the pitch, and one man, and that man being defoe will not make the slightest bit of differance if he doesn't get the service from the other players, which none of our front men got today, his sale is pardews only hope of making a go of this season, be it getting to the play offs, or building a squad capable pof competing in this league next season, this team plus defoe, is no where near good enough, so improving all areas is vital

sopunds like the keep defoe brigade are now throwing all there eggs in one basket, and he's a basket case alright

Connolly took he goal well today granted but he had two half chances that IMHO Defoe would have finished and his pace would have been brilliant today. I think we would have won if Defoe played today.

Myron T Buttram · Post by **Myron T Buttram** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:45 am

There are now only 20 days before the transfer window closes. Does Defoes suspension finish before this period? If it doesn't then I think he'll be here til the summer. I'f he is due to go in this window I can only assume he hasn't because his new employers are reluctant to pay his wages while suspended. Even then you would think maybe they would like to train with him so he could be ready to play for a new team from the off. Look like he's going nowhere for the near future.

Lost Hammer · Post by **Lost Hammer** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:09 am

Myron T Buttram wrote:There are now only 20 days before the transfer window closes. Does Defoes suspension finish before this period? If it doesn't then I think he'll be here til the summer. I'f he is due to go in this window I can only assume he hasn't because his new employers are reluctant to pay his wages while suspended. Even then you would think maybe they would like to train with him so he could be ready to play for a new team from the off. Look like he's going nowhere for the near future.

He's last banned game is th cup game on the 24th

Countryboy · Post by **Countryboy** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:17 pm

sicknote wrote:i think today highlighted how much the team, which we aren't and nearly every team we play are, are short of quality all around the pitch, and one man, and that man being defoe will not make the slightest bit of differance if he doesn't get the service from the other players, which none of our front men got today, his sale is pardews only hope of making a go of this season, be it getting to the play offs, or building a squad capable pof competing in this league next season, this team plus defoe, is no where near good enough, so improving all areas is vital

sopunds like the keep defoe brigade are now throwing all there eggs in one basket, and he's a basket case alright

Damn right! Pardew needs the chance to do a total rebuilding job: two full-backs, a centre-half and a right-side, creative midfield player for a start. The only way he can do that is if he has several million quid. The only way he's going to get the money is if Defoe is sold (IF, big if, anyone wants to buy him at the £8-10m asking price). It's going to hurt to say goodbye to such a talented striker, whatever his faults/bad attitude. But unless we do, we're stuffed.

And as for Jermain taking us into the Prem again - even if that happened, which doesn't seem remotely likely, there's no way our current squad, or anything like it, would last for more than one, pitifully humiliating season. Better to stay down, regroup, build a whole new side, and do the job properly.

East Stand Martin · Post by **East Stand Martin** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:13 pm

Countryboy wrote: Damn right! Pardew needs the chance to do a total rebuilding job: two full-backs, a centre-half and a right-side, creative midfield player for a start. The only way he can do that is if he has several million quid. The only way he's going to get the money is if Defoe is sold (IF, big if, anyone wants to buy him at the £8-10m asking price). It's going to hurt to say goodbye to such a talented striker, whatever his faults/bad attitude. But unless we do, we're stuffed.

And as for Jermain taking us into the Prem again - even if that happened, which doesn't seem remotely likely, there's no way our current squad, or anything like it, would last for more than one, pitifully humiliating season. Better to stay down, regroup, build a whole new side, and do the job properly.

Same old bollox that I have heard before on this subject:

1. No argument about where the team weaknesses are, just extreme scepticism on my part that even at £10 million we will be able to get what is required to plug these gaps. Don't forget Charlton + agent + Brown's slice will knock at least 50% of whatever price we sell for in my view;

2. "Better to stay down, regroup, build a whole new side, and do the job properly" - more like "Stay down, sell more and end up like Derby." £25 million from promotion gives us a fighting chance - you are putting that at risk, or accepting that we simply aint gonn aget that anyway. No ambition, my friend.