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Re: Winston Reid

Post by prophet:marginal » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:16 am

Gatsby wrote:
They were the only team to remain unbeaten at the 2010 world cup as well!
...And Winston was their top scorer!
(with one...)

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by kthammer » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:50 am

Top defender but his distribution is unimpressive - surely Wenger would want someone who can pass?

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Yea Why Not » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:16 am

kthammer wrote:Top defender but his distribution is unimpressive
Yep. I can't see Wenger going for him personally

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by WestHamIFC » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:28 am

kthammer wrote:Top defender but his distribution is unimpressive - surely Wenger would want someone who can pass?
What, you mean like Mertersacker..?! :lol:

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Ozza » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:57 am

Anyone know his contract situation? I've got a nasty feeling it's around the 18-24 month mark might be wrong? If it is we maybe up off selling I suppose if he doesn't want to sign again, and we wouldn't get as much as we would want.

All total conjecture of course
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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Rasp » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:02 am

His not for sale..sorted..

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by fjthegrey » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:05 am

Now is the time to offer him a massive 5 year deal with a wage bonus. I'm talking, today. Get that offer in there now.

Lets see how much of a man Winston Reid is. Sign it and become a legend, reject it and fall into obscurity as just another player at a big club.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Turns to Stone » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:11 am

I think a better comparison than Caulker or Lescott would be Mamadou Sakho who just went to Liverpool for £15m.

By my reckoning, Reid is better than Sakho.

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Post by DaveWHU1964 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:17 am

LincolnshireHammer wrote: Might be going slightly OTT there mate.
I don't think he is.

It's partly to do with the madness of the current market but I think he's closer to £20 million than £6 million. I hope we keep him but he would improve Arsenal's defence and also the Mancs (which is where I honestly think he may end up). He is that good.

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Post by Kismet » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:29 am

Ozza wrote:Anyone know his contract situation? I've got a nasty feeling it's around the 18-24 month mark might be wrong? If it is we maybe up off selling I suppose if he doesn't want to sign again, and we wouldn't get as much as we would want.

All total conjecture of course
From this very website:

http://www.kumb.com/stats_contracts.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Estuary » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:34 am

I don't think he is.

It's partly to do with the madness of the current market but I think he's closer to £20 million than £6 million. I hope we keep him but he would improve Arsenal's defence and also the Mancs (which is where I honestly think he may end up). He is that good.[/quote]

The buying club would make a poor offer, say £12m, and then encourage Reid via his agent to pressure us into a move. That's what Chelsea tried with Rooney. But I cant see Sully even replying to the email unless there is a £20m+ plus player offer.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by NW5hammer » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:57 am

I love Winston - partly for his goals - but he's more Richard Dunne than Franz Beckenbauer. But on that basis well worth giving a decent long-term contract.

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Post by Estuary » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:04 am

NW5hammer wrote:I love Winston - partly for his goals - but he's more Richard Dunne than Franz Beckenbauer. But on that basis well worth giving a decent long-term contract.
He is a typical Kiwi warrior, athletic, brave and never gives up. Reminds me of Martin Keown at his best, who I rated as player.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by James P » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:11 am

Sadly, if Reid's contract expires in the summer of 2015, then he is 18 months away from being worth £0m. If we don't manage to get him to sign a new contract, his value is only going to diminish regardless of his abilities or performances.

The club need to pull out some stops to get him to sign up for longer really.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Aceface » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:18 am

Until we get a striker that can find the net I don't think you can put a price on him. The only reason we're not deep in the relegation zone is because our defence keeps chalking up clean sheets. God help us if we start leaking at the back as well as not scoring - he is the crucial man for us until Carroll or AN Other starts helping out at the other end

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Post by WestHamIFC » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:24 am

James P wrote:Sadly, if Reid's contract expires in the summer of 2015, then he is 18 months away from being worth £0m. If we don't manage to get him to sign a new contract, his value is only going to diminish regardless of his abilities or performances.

The club need to pull out some stops to get him to sign up for longer really.
This ^

If he doesn't sign an extension in January we face losing him for peanuts in the summer as he'll only have 1 year left.

The chances of us getting the £20m he is worth are unfortunately rather slim.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by HamburgHammer » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:32 am

One might argue that West Ham right no due to the system we play is not a striker friendly environment.
Of course I'd be happy to see Carroll come back from injury and start banging them in for fun, but as of now we don't appear to create many scoring opportunities anyway which obviously puts a lot of pressure on players/strikers when one of the few chances comes along.

Best example is our recent no striker formation. I get the impression that you could give Allardyce the best strikers in the world, he would still approach the game with the desire to not concede a goal first, then thinking about maybe scoring one or two at the other end to nick the game.
I see Allardyce as a defensive minded manager first and on the face of it there's nothing wrong with that, as a West Ham fan I just find it hard to watch sometimes.

I'd rather see us be a bit more aggressive, even at the risk of conceding more, if it gives us a chance to score a lot more. But then again Allardyce is in charge and he should know best, it's his team now and his job to get the best out of his players. I'm not sure we're seeing the best way West Ham could play now, even without Andy Carroll. But as I said: It's unlikely that Allardyce will change his philosophy on the pitch, so we'll all have to live with that I suppose.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by goingunderground » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:45 pm

Losing Reid would immediately undo a lot of the hard work that has gone into being one of the better defensive sides in the league.

Considering our defence is the strongest component of our team (and the only reason we're not bottom), selling him would be catastrophic and would harken back to the West Ham days of selling our best talent.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by Absentee Hammer » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:07 pm

To bring back the annoying reasoning of FFP, I doubt we have much if any room to offer Reidy a new contract in Jan, it will be negotiated towards the end of the season as they are doing with Ravel. We were supposedly near our cap, then signed Petric (PS, Petric not yet on our squad list at the top of the page UtJ) & Cole (Cole a short term til Jan, I realise). This must have used up any amount remaining and possibly put us over the limit, hence the recent loans out. (we do not normally loan out first XI/squad players like Collison).

Injuries to Diarra, Vaz, Linda will mean that we will not be able to sell these 3 players in Jan to create some space in the wage bill, so unless we move on Collison or Taylor in Jan, we cannot expect any new faces unless we do not renew Coles contract. The only player who could move in reality is Miaga, but this depends on how well Carroll returns and stays injury free.

The squad would be dangerously thin if we did sell and not replace them, so for these reasons, I feel we will play a waiting game with Reid and once we are safe for the premiership next season, then we will act. This could well work with Reid as he will want to keep playing at the top level and seems very happy here. The past few years he has cemented his spot in the All Whites team and being made captain when Nelson retired, so unless he has immediate desires for Champs League footie, he should not really have a reason to move on yet. Obviously if WHU win nothing (there again if that is what he wants, why join the gooners :wink: ) and he continues to improve, then in 2 or 3 years he may want to join a top 4 club, but for now, he has idolisation from the fans and respect from both his country and club.

Oh and £6M is chicken feed for a player of his level and potential. Sulli & Gold would not play ball at that level, with 18 months remaining.

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Re: Times really are a changing! (Winston Reid)

Post by fjthegrey » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:30 pm

People keep using the word potential. He's 25, probably at his physical peak about now and certainly performing beyond what any of us would have dreamed. He's already there. We aren't waiting for the penny to drop, it has, the bloke is ****ing superb in the here and now. Anyone looking to buy him should be aware they are trying to purchase the here and now, not the could be. The price should reflect that.

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