Burnley 1-1 West Ham Utd (14/10/17)

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Re: Burnley v West Ham Utd: match thread

Post by @dave_boy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:41 am

Every away-day facility should include a beer tent :thup:

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Post by mooro_19841 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:41 pm

Dont want to come across like I am digging Slav out but I personally thought the Chicha / Sakho sub was a poor one.

We had a spell just before the sub where Lanzini, Obiang, Chicha and Antonio were linking really well and looking a threat. Chica was also holding the ball up extremely well and he looked in the zone.

The sub was the "easy" one to make, but as soon as it was made we looked a different team. Sakho offers running in behind and that didnt suit us at that stage of the game.

Just an observation that is all. It was the obvious sub to make, a striker for a striker when down to 10 men etc. But I think it killed us a bit.

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Post by YorksHammer » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:48 pm

On Carroll's cards - I actually think the first one was a little harsh. His eyes are on the ball and he's using his arms to give him height. Yes he connects with the player, but the jump itself is how pretty much any player would jump for the ball.

However, the second is (in my opinion) worthy of a straight red, and if the shoe was on the other foot and an opposition player only saw yellow for that I'd be fuming about it.

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Post by WickfordHammer86 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:49 pm

mooro_19841 wrote:Dont want to come across like I am digging Slav out but I personally thought the Chicha / Sakho sub was a poor one.

We had a spell just before the sub where Lanzini, Obiang, Chicha and Antonio were linking really well and looking a threat. Chica was also holding the ball up extremely well and he looked in the zone.

The sub was the "easy" one to make, but as soon as it was made we looked a different team. Sakho offers running in behind and that didnt suit us at that stage of the game.

Just an observation that is all. It was the obvious sub to make, a striker for a striker when down to 10 men etc. But I think it killed us a bit.
Agreed Mooro.

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Post by frankiemac » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:50 pm

...i was pissed as a fart and didnt even realise carroll had gone off...

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Post by ballantine » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:13 pm

mooro_19841 wrote:Dont want to come across like I am digging Slav out but I personally thought the Chicha / Sakho sub was a poor one.
In hindsight it's easy to agree with that. At the time, I thought it made sense (putting aside that I personally would never ever play Sakho again). We needed fresh legs, we were being pushed back, and I thought he'd offer the opportunity to knock the ball long with him chasing it down, allowing us to move our players somewhat further up the field - or even hit them on the counter. It didn't work like that, but I don't think it was anything strange with that sub at all.

(The last two times he's subbed Hernandez I found it quite baffling, just to be happily surprised when it turned out to be game changers, so guess this might all be telling of how much I know about football)

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Post by Goldsmith » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:24 pm

mooro_19841 wrote:We had a spell just before the sub where Lanzini, Obiang, Chicha and Antonio were linking really well and looking a threat. Chica was also holding the ball up extremely well and he looked in the zone.
The one particular move that ended with the Antonio shot was quite incredible

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Post by Goldsmith » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:26 pm

On a side note, Kouyate showed he is still very much capable of winning the ball back and being disciplined... will make a huge difference.

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Post by mattyD » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:32 pm

Couldn't help watch the Newcastle highlights with a bit of envy - lots of movement, quick passing, very organised and easy on the ball with a much lesser squad.

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Post by EvilC » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:35 pm

YorksHammer wrote:However, the second is (in my opinion) worthy of a straight red, and if the shoe was on the other foot and an opposition player only saw yellow for that I'd be fuming about it.
This.

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Post by FAH_1973 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:36 pm

Arnie had another anonymous game before he was rightly subbed for Obiang at half time. The only time I noticed him was the histrionics when we correctly penalised for a foul.

Over £40 mil spent on Ayew and Arnie looks like a total waste.

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Post by Hammer.CA » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:53 pm

FAH_1973 wrote:Arnie had another anonymous game before he was rightly subbed for Obiang at half time. The only time I noticed him was the histrionics when we correctly penalised for a foul.

Over £40 mil spent on Ayew and Arnie looks like a total waste.
Don't worry, he'll easily show us what he's capable of in time apparently.
Not sure when that time will start mind or how long it's likely to last either.

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Post by traxop » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:17 pm

Are people really writing off Arnautovic already? How can anyone judge a player when he has only had around 200 minutes of game time? Blimey, even Zaza had more time to prove himself.

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Post by LincolnshireHammer » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:46 pm

traxop wrote:Are people really writing off Arnautovic already? How can anyone judge a player when he has only had around 200 minutes of game time? Blimey, even Zaza had more time to prove himself.
Completely agree fella.

I believe Arnie will come good and be a solid player for us this year. Not too sure about Ayew however..

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Post by Ferret » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:47 pm

mattyD wrote:Couldn't help watch the Newcastle highlights with a bit of envy - lots of movement, quick passing, very organised and easy on the ball with a much lesser squad.
I hate Newcastle and totally agree. i would also add that Benitez is a far better manager than Bilic, he basically has a side full of championship level players flying high.

We have a cocktail of international players limping along like an injured fox!. :(

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Post by Hammer.CA » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:49 pm

traxop wrote:Are people really writing off Arnautovic already? How can anyone judge a player when he has only had around 200 minutes of game time? Blimey, even Zaza had more time to prove himself.
I saw a bit of application and effort from Zaza, I've yet to see any of the from Arnautovic in any of the games that I've attended so far. I've seen plenty of him lunging in and playing the player instead of the ball.
I hope he does come good, I never said I was writing him off but I haven't see him show any real quality so far.

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Post by trevshead10may1980 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:02 pm

Hammer.CA wrote:
I saw a bit of application and effort from Zaza, I've yet to see any of the from Arnautovic in any of the games that I've attended so far. I've seen plenty of him lunging in and playing the player instead of the ball.
I hope he does come good, I never said I was writing him off but I haven't see him show any real quality so far.
I agree. Arnie should be on the bench, so far he has been a waste of space, a total waste of money.

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Post by flakwell hammer » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:18 pm

watched Valencia v Betis last night Valencia won 6-3 and Zaza scored his 7th goal of the season, and is 2nd highest scorer in La Liga.

Maybe we need to give players a bit more time to settle in.

Football is all about confidence if we win comfortably Friday we will be a totally different team moving forward and players like Arnie,Lanzini,Hernandez, and Antonio will start to really come into their own.

I think we have a decent squad who are just struggling for a little bit of confidence there was a lovely move Saturday which resulted in Antonio forcing a decent save.

That was the best move I've seen from us all season, we will get there i promise.

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Post by coyi27 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:20 pm

mooro_19841 wrote:Dont want to come across like I am digging Slav out but I personally thought the Chicha / Sakho sub was a poor one.

We had a spell just before the sub where Lanzini, Obiang, Chicha and Antonio were linking really well and looking a threat. Chica was also holding the ball up extremely well and he looked in the zone.
Hmmm. That move happened in 58th minute. Chicharito went off in the the 75th. For 17 minutes after that he was hardly involved.

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Post by mattyD » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:57 pm

Ferret wrote:
I hate Newcastle and totally agree. i would also add that Benitez is a far better manager than Bilic, he basically has a side full of championship level players flying high.

We have a cocktail of international players limping along like an injured fox!. :(
yep

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