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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by wizzo_66 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:46 am

Estuary wrote:
I hope it isn't so but I fear we are breeding a legion reactionary idiot supporters.
It's not unique to the young ones. Generally it's unique to those with a more limited understanding of the game.

Controversial but true.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Swiss Pauli » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:05 am

smuts wrote:Turned the game when he came on. Obiang sadly had a stinker before hand.
Obiang wasn't great, but he did make the pass to Arnie in the first half that led to the penalty shout. Noble was being more ambitious - and better - in his passing and it helped that he was fresh and Brighton were tiring. Shows he can still have a role to play even after his days as a first team regular are up.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by The Old Man of Storr » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:09 am

Chicken Run Supreme wrote:Approaching his twilight years and as others have intimated, some game management is needed but still has the class to make a difference. We will miss him when he's gone.
We played 3 games inside a week and with 10 players out injured recently I thought we did well to get 4 points considering 2 of those games were Away to Southampton then Burnley , when you see the amount of running Mark Noble gets through in a match perhaps you're right that at his age a bit of game management wouldn't go amiss - However , I do still think he needs to be involved in every game at some point or other as without him we lack creativity from deep .

Obiang's best game this season was Away at Everton where Rice , Noble and Pedro all featured - Obiang has the energy but Noble has the better passing range -

I'd definitely start Mark Noble in all our Home games , his game is made for the London Stadium pitch and depending on the opposition I'd start Obiang during the Away matches with Mark replacing as and when required . Had Sanchez and Wilshere remained fit we would have had more options .

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by HarlowEssexHammer » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:17 am

Excellent cameo from the captain last night, helped drag a very tired looking team to an unlikely point in his 30 minutes. Antonio deserves praise as well for his contribution after coming on at the same time :thup:

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by 3times » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:27 am

Chicken Run Supreme wrote:Approaching his twilight years and as others have intimated, some game management is needed but still has the class to make a difference. We will miss him when he's gone.
This, and the fact he tends to struggle a bit more against team that plays expansive football which is also down to our system that doesn't help him.

Definitely has a part to play which is probably as much off the pitch as on.

Unfortunately his legs can't carry him around as they used to which explains some of his tackles (although he has always been a bit prone to a lunge!!) but if used right he will be mostly ok.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Colours never run » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:29 am

It's not just the occasional youth that pipes up with lazy clichés about Noble, I've heard it all from geezers well over 30 an all and it makes it worse for me because you'd think they'd know better by now, but unbelievably no. And it dates back to when he used to play regularly at the Boleyn too.

It boils down to a lack of football intelligence or appreciation of what he offers, regardless of someone's age.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Carlton'sGoal » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:42 am

Row X wrote: Funny how we struggle when he doesn't play, yet people still say he's not good enough.

How many managers keep picking him? Pardew, Curbs, Zola, Grant, Big Sam, Bilic, Moyes, Pel Boy... he must do something right.
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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Ozza » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:54 pm

Outstanding last night, well done captain

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Smonnie » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:23 pm

I would like to see him play with the same desire to find decisive passes from the first minute - not just when he comes on at 2-0 down.

Sometimes he does, sometimes he plays too safe for my liking.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Colours never run » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:32 pm

He builds attacks all the time. A lot of his initial passed go unnoticed/unappreciated because it doesn't end up being the actual Assist, but invariably it's him that starts the moves off. It's him that often instigates passages of play. Unfortunately important play like that isn't as easy to quantify as an assist leading to a goal being the pass just before. And it shows when he doesn't play because we look so rudderless trying to build moves.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by hammerddh » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:14 pm

This thing with Noble has got beyond a joke now.
Its like its taken over from the Board, or the Stadium. Your either pro or against, and as always its always the views of the extremes that get heard.
And as ever the truth is in the middle.
Noble is a very good player. No one and I mean no one plays at that level for 10 years without being so.
Does this mean he cant be criticized ? no, does it mean he is the reason for every defeat ? no

Last night was a prime example, there was literally no difference between Nobles pass for Arnies first goal and Obiang's in the first half for the penalty appeal turned down. Another day a different set of outcomes.

Noble had a 20 minute cameo last night at the most stretched point of the game, how would people of felt this morning if he had started and tried to pick passes to the statues up front in the first half.

My opinion is that he still has a huge role to play for the club, but at the same time i do feel he really struggles in a 4-4-2. For me he has to have that additional insurance of an extra midfielder.
At the same time there are better midfielders out there and if we want to progress at some point we need to move on from Mark, and his role will slowly diminish. That's football

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Cuenca 'ammer » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:18 pm

I think somewhat Noble encapsulates our season

we do well for a spanking 20 minute period and win the game

or we stink the place out and lose the game in the same 20 minute period

that's in general but in some of the games we were not the best, score 3 and game over..

we have still papered over some cracks in our wins.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by wizzo_66 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:21 pm

hammerddh wrote:if we want to progress at some point we need to move on from Mark, and his role will slowly diminish. That's football
I think even Mark's biggest supporters on here will accept that (at some point - well yes, obviously). We have been hearing it for about 10 years now though.

When we sign someone good enough I'll be encouraging it to happen. No one has really come a fraction close yet though and the hefty criticism of him never follows with an adequate solution from within the playing squad.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by RichieRiv » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:57 pm

Estuary wrote:I hope it isn't so but I fear we are breeding a legion reactionary idiot supporters.
Too late. In fact there is only fag paper between some of our fans and those currently squatting up in Wembley.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by mumbles87 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:03 pm

I have given noble a lot of stick over the years

Hats off to him last night

I like how he isn’t an auto starter now.. I like how obiang and him are rotated well

Noble came on and he changed the game

Still needs rice next to him with his legs to mop up any mess

But perfect

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by flysohigh » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:31 pm

Very good when he came on last night but very poor against Burnley. I think the truth is somewhere between the two. There is just no balance on the Noble debate he's either superb or dreadful.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Pop Robson » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:56 pm

14 years 4 months 1 week since his debut !!!

12th in number of WHU appearances

2nd time his come on as sub this season and we've won both games, SuperSub !!

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by thejackhammer » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:42 pm

Pop Robson wrote:14 years 4 months 1 week since his debut !!!

12th in number of WHU appearances

2nd time his come on as sub this season and we've won both games, SuperSub !!
We drew last night :D

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Colours never run » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:54 pm

flysohigh wrote:Very good when he came on last night but very poor against Burnley. I think the truth is somewhere between the two. There is just no balance on the Noble debate he's either superb or dreadful.
Only on one side of the debate. No one ever says he's a superb player and even his biggest supporters (me as one of them) have no issue with acknowledging his limitations.

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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Post by Boom Kid » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:55 pm

[quote="HarlowEssexHammer"]Excellent cameo from the captain last night, helped drag a very tired looking team to an unlikely point in his 30 minutes. Antonio deserves praise as well for his contribution after coming on at the same time

THIS :thup:

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