Hammer1972 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:04 pm
Just let me get this straight. He thrived under the professional system in place at Everton. But the same system wasn't in place at Man Utd and so the failure wasn't his fault. If it was his system, why didn't he bring it with him? Or was it Everton's system, in which case why are you pointing to an article that suggests it is a strength of his?
Definitely seems everything positive is down to Dave, and every failure is sometime else's fault...can't have it both ways.
The system at Man Utd was Fergies system. He controlled everything from top to bottom. Any manager taking over from Fergie was on a hiding to nothing with an ageing squad, a squad that Fergie knew how to squeeze every last ounce of talent from.
Fergie bailed at just the right time, and left no foundations that could be classed as worthy for his successor.
-DL- wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:18 pm
The system at Man Utd was Fergies system. He controlled everything from top to bottom. Any manager taking over from Fergie was on a hiding to nothing with an ageing squad, a squad that Fergie knew how to squeeze every last ounce of talent from.
Fergie bailed at just the right time, and left no foundations that could be classed as worthy for his successor.
Cellar-door wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:21 pm
I understand the appeal of a tested old hand to squeak out some draws and enough wins to stay in the league, but what this club desperately needs (other than the impossible dream of a new ownership group) is an organized group of professionals running the football side.... an analytics department, a top to bottom development plan, long-term transfer planning, a footballing identity and philosophy that runs from the first team all the way down through the academy. A professional scouting set-up, etc. etc. etc.
Now you are talking. After seeing how Liverpool are employing 5 mathematicians to exploit algorithms to analyse every aspect of the on field performance of their players and movement made with the ball with the potential of every passing/shooting option at any given moment and the study of those similar performances of every player that they may be interested in signing and how they fit within the style of their existing team to establish their compatibility is mind lowing. You truly begin to realise just how far modern football has come since BIG SAMs interest in basic stats, the complexity, imagination and professionalism exploited by the top teams to fulfil the old adage that you can make your own luck. 'Expected Goals' is but one small if vitally important aspect of all this computational analysis. One has to wonder what West Ham's equivalent of this set up is when we have been told that we employ but a fraction of even the most basic requirement of international scouts compared to other teams.
Ozza wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:16 pm
they'll sort it out eventually, I actually think that Woodford is the biggest issue there
Of course. It goes in cycles. Man City, the worlds richest club who have spent and spent are now on the demise with Liverpool on the ascendancy. No club will ever dominate forever.
Ozza wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:40 pm
So one one hand you were saying that Ferguson ran the club from top to bottom, and now you are saying that the decline was all down to Edwards?
Make your mind up
No, Edward was CEO, so would be in charge of budgets, etc. Ferguson went along with him as it suited him. Remember he was the one who caused the club to be sold to the Americans by falling out with the Irish owners over a racehorse!
e-20 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:36 pm
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One has to wonder what West Ham's equivalent of this set up is when we have been told that we employ but a fraction of even the most basic requirement of international scouts compared to other teams.
Who needs a network of international scouts when we've got
Ironing Board wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:42 pm
No, Edward was CEO, so would be in charge of budgets, etc. Ferguson went along with him as it suited him. Remember he was the one who caused the club to be sold to the Americans by falling out with the Irish owners over a racehorse!
so Ferguson didn't run the club then? I'm confused.
The point is the same, Edwards was as much down the the success at the club in his role as Ferguson was, the issue at MU was both of them going at the same time, there was no continuity and Woodford is out of his depth
Ozza wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:54 pm
so Ferguson didn't run the club then? I'm confused.
The point is the same, Edwards was as much down the the success at the club in his role as Ferguson was, the issue at MU was both of them going at the same time, there was no continuity and Woodford is out of his depth
Ferguson built Man Utd up. However he covered up for the Glazers as they used Man Utd as a piggy bank to subsidize their other businesses by not making a fuss over transfers. Remember the "no value in the market" stuff he spouted. He was able to keep an ageing side competitive as he could rely on his old guard, but they were rapidly declining at the end, with Scholes retiring along with Fergie, Giggs going into semi-retirement as Moyes' not-so-loyal lieutenant, Rio was finished, as can be seen by looking at his appearance history, even Vidic was past it. The crop of youngsters coming through were not of the same caliber as the people they were replacing.
He’s a walking red card mate..
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Morelos would be a great signing, he runs for fun, has pace, plays with both feet and best of all he stays fit (probably due to missing a few games every now and then due to suspension). I'm not bothered he has a few disciplinary problems, the fact he can knock a ball past a defender and then beat him to the ball is something we have been crying out for. He could be the next Sandy Clark
Morelos? No thanks. As has been said, the man is a walking red card. The only competition Sevco face in Scotland are Celtic and he has never scored against them. What kind of idiot gets a second yellow for diving in the 92nd minute when his team is winning and the ball is no where near his goal?
Love how West Ham fans want the absolute finished article in a player. We would be lucky to get Morales, sure he has higher aspirations than relegation battles and short cup runs though..oh wait he is already playing in Europe so would have to throw a lot of money at him to downgrade.
