The January Transfer Window 2020

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Re: The January Transfer Window 2020

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Randolph would be fine as a back-up, but then again, so would Martin. I don't think we need to invest too heavily in a back-up keeper, as Fabianski's keeping style will allow him to be playing at the top level for another 5 or 6 years, injuries permitting.

I would bring in both Berge and Fernandes, and replicate Liverpool's formation with their industrial midfield three (Fabinho, Henderson & Wijnaldum). I would sell Yarmolenko & Lanzini in a heartbeat if it meant we were able to bring in those two.

A midfield three of Berge, Rice and Fernandes is big, strong, powerful and would not get overrun. It would offer the centre halves plenty of protection and allow the full-backs to get forward more often too. Anderson and Antonio could then play further forward and give Haller support.
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thejackhammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:32 am But couldn't Fernandes just say no to our option?

That's what I've never understood about Barcelona and Real Madrid using buy back clauses just to sell the player straight away, can't the player just say no?
They work because players don't want to leave money on the table. Completing a transfer guarantees you a long contract at a higher salary than the one you were previously on.

Say for example that Fernandes has 3 years on his deal right now, he joins us for 18 months and we take up the option to buy him outright. If he says no, he returns to Benfica and only has an 18 month deal on a lower wage. If he signs with us, he probably gets a 5 year deal and doubles, maybe even trebles his money.

There is no guarantee Man U and Benfica can reach an agreement over him. There is no guarantee he can agree a new contract with Benfica at the salary level he wants. If a player is prepared to join you on loan, they are probably prepared to sign for you long term.

They work for Real Madrid and Barcelona in a different way, generally if those clubs want to buy you, you want to play for them. Not many, if any, young players turn down that chance.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 am Berge was also linked whilst Pellegrini was here.
This is what I mean by paper talk, mate. Not digging you out at all or anything but we've been linked with about two-thirds of players on the planet. :lol:
Burnley Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 am Moyes strikes me as someone who's quite meticulous and goes through a lot of work identifying players. He's known to like to watch players before making decisions, and doesn't rush. He's frequently accused of being indecisive as a result. Much has been made about the work he did at Everton implementing a great scouting system.
Yes, very true. :thup:

Burnley Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 am I just don't see him being interested in signing all these players we were already being linked to before he arrived. They might be presented to him as potential options that we've already scouted, but I imagine he'll reject many of them and have his own ideas about players he'd like to bring in.
Agreed.
Burnley Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 am Maksimovic and Fernandes do seem to fit the bill with regards to what he's looking for.
I hope we can get one or both over the line.
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Re: The January Transfer Window 2020

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Now that Pellers (and presumably Hussilos) are offski, has club's mouthpiece#2 Ex been let off the leash?

Great to see us acting as professional as always.
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Croydon wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:47 am Now that Pellers (and presumably Hussilos) are offski, has club's mouthpiece#2 Ex been let off the leash?
To be fair, he was still giving news even under Pellegrini's tenure.
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keithwright1977 wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 am Gedson Fernandes wants to come to us, surely they couldn’t fxxx it up now could they
Oh Keith...
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Randolph is no better than Roberto. He was dreadful for us.

And just saying, now we are back in no holds barred Sully territory, I expect none of these exciting potential signings to materialise, sadly.
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Burnley Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:41 am Moyes strikes me as someone who's quite meticulous and goes through a lot of work identifying players. He's known to like to watch players before making decisions, and doesn't rush. He's frequently accused of being indecisive as a result. Much has been made about the work he did at Everton implementing a great scouting system.

I just don't see him being interested in signing all these players we were already being linked to before he arrived. They might be presented to him as potential options that we've already scouted, but I imagine he'll reject many of them and have his own ideas about players he'd like to bring in.

Maksimovic and Fernandes do seem to fit the bill with regards to what he's looking for.
Fair point... wasn't this part of the reason Dendoncker didn't happen? He sent people (Pearce?) to watch him and he wasn't impressed enough to make the commitment there and then for the fee being touted but was obviously interested enough to even see one of his coaches go and watch him. Probably wanted more time to scout him before making the commitment long term... (it may have happened in the summer if he had been kept on)

It doesn't mean he won't go for a player who he has seen and is informed on... I'd imagine he has been watching a lot of football over the last 18 months and did some homework on a few players who have caught his eye in prep for the next position he takes. See the Mario transfer 2 years back... obviously a player who had caught his eye and he could see making an impact.

Maksimovic, Fernandes, Berge... all could be players he knows and would be keen on.

We're not talking about old 'Arry buying someone on the back of a fuzzy video that came in a brown envelope with a wad of cash from an agent...
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Re: The January Transfer Window 2020

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Will be a touch if Boro have the stones to say no to the Randolph thing.

Team of the year or not, is it not far more likely he's just a better fit at that level than that he's suddenly improved dramatically, in his 30s, in the space of 18 months?
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Holland will be going on loan to Oxford after the Gillingham game according to Ex.
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Re: The January Transfer Window 2020

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We're in a similar position to last year with the squad but for slightly different reasons.

Last year Lanzini, Reid, Wilshere, Yarmolenko and Carroll were unavailable for basically the entire season. For a club of our resources having 20% of your 25 man squad out of action is not sustainable. This year Roberto, Zabaleta & Sanchez are basically write offs due to age and quality and Reid & Wilshire remain on their beds from last season.

TTS is right, get those squad places filled with people that can contribute to even an average standard and things start to look a hell of a lot rosier.
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S-H wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:27 am I expect she was torn.
Very good... :lol:
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Fernandes could be like singing Alex Song with extra drive, youth and legs.

Villa possibly in for Butland to cover Heaton loss. Made some big clangers for Stoke last season. Much prefer Etheridge at Cardiff. Impressed in the Premier League, not seen him make any errors this season that I can recall watching Quest show each week.

QPR's playmaker Eze and right winger Osayi-Samuel impressing lately.
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denzel wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:53 am To be fair, he was still giving news even under Pellegrini's tenure.
Really? I don't have Twitter or social media, so the only bits and pieces I see from him are on here and I've seen him quoted more recently than ever under Pellers!
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Stanislav Lobotka's agents on their way to Napoli to tie up a deal, according to Nicolo Schira
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Corney Beal wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:16 pm
QPR's playmaker Eze
Won’t be at QPR much longer, for sure.
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I'm glad that we are looking at midfielders, just hope we aren't window shopping again.. Carvalho.. Dendoncker
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Corney Beal wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:16 pm Much prefer Etheridge at Cardiff. Impressed in the Premier League...
An excellent 'keeper, though getting on for 30 too.
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Up the Junction wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:33 pm An excellent 'keeper, though getting on for 30 too.
I guess it would depend on what we think of Trott and Anang.

If by the time he's 23 the club believe Trott will be first choice then they won't want to spend big on a goalkeeper.
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Anyone enthusiastic about cantwell obviously didn't see his recent league cup performance. Beyond abysmal. Literally couldn't kick the ball straight. I'm not saying he's not a promising young player, but an erratic playmaker may be a position that doesn't need filling at whu
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