David Moyes - 18th Permanent Manager of WHUFC

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Post by coyi27 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:55 pm

They are good players being misused. You can’t tell me Anderson, Haller, Fornals, Rice, Diop are average players. They just need a manager to put them in a good attacking system. Unfortunately with Moyes there is no chance of that so ultimately fans will blame it on players being average when in fact the problem runs deeper than that

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Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:58 pm

coyi27 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:55 pm
They are good players being misused. You can’t tell me Anderson, Haller, Fornals, Rice, Diop are average players. They just need a manager to put them in a good attacking system. Unfortunately with Moyes there is no chance of that so ultimately fans will blame it on players being average when in fact the problem runs deeper than that
You can't blame it on Moyes being defensive... our last manager couldn't get much out of them either and he was an attack minded manager.

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Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:05 pm

Every so often, we'll play a game and look like the worst team on the planet. Happened under Moyes, happened under Pellegrini, happened under Bilic.

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Post by coyi27 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:21 pm

I didn’t think Bilic or Pellegrini were the answers. Bilic talks a good game, but he never really convinced me he could set up a team to attack with conviction and press and defend. His West Brom team might be top of the league but if you look at underlying stats they shouldn’t be anywhere near where they are and it’s not surprising the wheels have fallen off. Pellegrini was way too old and under motivated after his China spell to be building a new team from the scratch. Imo we need a Greame Potter, Thomas Frank, Nuno Espírito Santo type of young progressive, manager with good underlying stats in previous jobs to take over.

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Post by brothernero » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:31 pm

"His West Brom team might be top of the league but if you look at underlying stats they shouldn’t be anywhere near where they are"


Does that not then highlight what a great job he is doing there. They play some cracking football, they are the Championships Leading goal scorers and the fans bloody love him.

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Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:35 pm

brothernero wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:31 pm
"His West Brom team might be top of the league but if you look at underlying stats they shouldn’t be anywhere near where they are"


Does that not then highlight what a great job he is doing there. They play some cracking football, they are the Championships Leading goal scorers and the fans bloody love him.
You could have said the same thing about his time at West Ham during the first half of his first season. We didn't really dominate games, and from what I recall, we didn't have more shots than the opposition... but we did go through a streak where we were very clinical in front of goal. So much so that, for a few games, it felt like we scored every time we attacked. It's the kind of streak we could do with now

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Post by coyi27 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:41 pm

brothernero wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:31 pm
"His West Brom team might be top of the league but if you look at underlying stats they shouldn’t be anywhere near where they are"


Does that not then highlight what a great job he is doing there. They play some cracking football, they are the Championships Leading goal scorers and the fans bloody love him.
Yes mate he’s done ok like he always does at the start like he did with us but I want our manager to be able to do it longterm. He’s always reliant on one or two players rather than having a system that will compensate for them being out. As soon as Diangana got injured they’ve started being out played by all relegation teams such as Wigan, Middlesbrough, Barnsley. Just like us when Payet got injured we could string a pass together. I have a lot of love for Bilic with his passion but West Brom haven’t played well for 2 months and fans are beginning to question him.

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Post by Adrianisournumber1 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:34 pm

Coyi so who could come here and make this side win with no budget

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Post by essexguy » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:41 pm

Burnley Hammer wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:05 pm
Every so often, we'll play a game and look like the worst team on the planet. Happened under Moyes, happened under Pellegrini, happened under Bilic.
You mean more often than not. 😊

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Post by keithwright1977 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:52 pm

Burnley Hammer wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:05 pm
Every so often, we'll play a game and look like the worst team on the planet. Happened under Moyes, happened under Pellegrini, happened under Bilic.
Nothing new, we’ve done the same thing as long as I can remember that’s what makes the big wins more memorable

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Post by keithwright1977 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:56 pm

Adrianisournumber1 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:34 pm
Coyi so who could come here and make this side win with no budget
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Harry Potter?

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Post by coyi27 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:58 pm

Adrianisournumber1 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:34 pm
Coyi so who could come here and make this side win with no budget
There are a number of realistic managers who have really good underlying stats, play decent football and have an identity who I feel would make us enjoy going to matches again.

Oliver Glasner from Wolfsburg
Marco Rose from Borussia M’gladbach
Jesse Marsch from Salzburg
Stephane Moulin from Angers

All youngish, realistic to recruit and with a good analytical football brain and an attacking football identity.

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Post by bubbles1966 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:03 pm

We've played 5 games since he came back...

- We got walloped by a top 3 team
- We had two tight games against middling teams, probably lacking a little edge to get over the line in those games
- We walloped a bottom 3 team
- We beat a lower league team in the cup.

We are playing to par.

Signing some decent players who are suited to the PL in 2020 in place of players who aren't will make a bigger difference than any manager.

If we carry on along that path we'll probably beat West Brom, get trashed by Liverpool, beat Brighton, and get double thumped by Liverpool and Man City. Southampton at the end of February should be winnable - we're something like five wins in the last six against them.

The odd thing is that we could be in a cup quarter final whilst looking like we're certs to go down come the end of February.

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Post by Ozza » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:06 pm

coyi27 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:41 pm
Yes mate he’s done ok like he always does at the start like he did with us but I want our manager to be able to do it longterm. He’s always reliant on one or two players rather than having a system that will compensate for them being out. As soon as Diangana got injured they’ve started being out played by all relegation teams such as Wigan, Middlesbrough, Barnsley. Just like us when Payet got injured we could string a pass together. I have a lot of love for Bilic with his passion but West Brom haven’t played well for 2 months and fans are beginning to question him.
Every manager has done well at the start here and always come a cropper in the same manner and similar timescale.

Bil has us playing some sensational stuff at times, then the Payet problem happened followed by the great turd from above dumping a shed load of crap loanies on him

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Post by Ozza » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:07 pm

coyi27 wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:58 pm
There are a number of realistic managers who have really good underlying stats, play decent football and have an identity who I feel would make us enjoy going to matches again.

Oliver Glasner from Wolfsburg
Marco Rose from Borussia M’gladbach
Jesse Marsch from Salzburg
Stephane Moulin from Angers

All youngish, realistic to recruit and with a good analytical football brain and an attacking football identity.
None of them would be employed by our owners

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Post by coyi27 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:14 pm

Ozza wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:07 pm
None of them would be employed by our owners
Yes and that’s where the problem lies. I don’t think they do any research at all.

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Post by Ozza » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:17 pm

Nothing to do with research they only employee managers with prem league experience (their words) or ex fan faves to appeal to the masses

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Post by Turns to Stone » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:20 pm

Just out of interest, does anyone one here (aside from ironing board) think that any other Premier League team would have given Moyes a job?

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Post by coyi27 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:23 pm

Ozza wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:17 pm
Nothing to do with research they only employee managers with prem league experience (their words) or ex fan faves to appeal to the masses
I agree. It’s hard to believe they’ve become successful businessmen with such short term thinking.

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Post by BondsoBob » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:23 pm

Turns to Stone wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:20 pm
Just out of interest, does anyone one here (aside from ironing board) think that any other Premier League team would have given Moyes a job?
Nope. Not a cats chance in hell.

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