seem like a very soild lot.
West Ham Utd 1-1 Brighton & Hove Albion (1/12/21)
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
He did yeh, but it showed he is a far better attacking option on the right
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
Are you referring to Dawson and Lallana?
What I deduced is abundantly clear is that you are allowed to blatantly obstruct players now. They did that on the first goal (three players (including Lallana) to block Dawson and Zouma), all of them moved to block the runs and none of them looked at the ball once).
On the disallowed goal, Lallana is looking at Dawson and doesn't look towards the ball once. As Dawson runs towards the near post Lallana moves across him and into him, arms out across Dawson. Dawson changes direction and Lallana falls over from the contact he himself made. There's no foul from Dawson, just an arm out to hold Lallana off.
VAR should have looked back that far and decided that without being impeded Dawson would have got a clean header straight into the net.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
If you can't find anything horrible, you shouldn't do an OV at all is what my old mum used to say.
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Gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has
"- rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
- been deliberately saved by any opponent"
Right decision. Sod it.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
I was fuming at this, thinking that VAR had screwed up the call and cost us the game but then I re-read the offside law and watched the replays again. Antonio is in an offside position when Dawson chins the ball goalwards : he is closer to the Brighton goal line than the second last opponent, who, in this case is the keeper. It clearly came off a Brighton player before he touched it with his shin and I thought this cancelled the whole "Offside" situation but it is also clearly a deflection which, according to the laws of the game falls under this:Crouchend_Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:56 am The clear and obvious caveat does not apply to offsides
He was clearly in an offside position so once they decided he had touched it then that was that
Very annoying though
Gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has
"- rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
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Ah but Antonio didn't play the ball, nor did he interfere with an opponent.Toulouse_Iron wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:00 pm Gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has
"- rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
- been deliberately saved by any opponent"
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
I thought that. I even thought fair play to their team when they equalised as it was deserved just as we deserved not to win. My mind was thinking 'good on ya' as it sailed into the net. Was an odd feeling in that weird moment.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
Decent team Brighton, decent manager and from the OV they have some decent fans too.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
It is worth pointing out that we were statistically the superior side when you take possession out of the mix.
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Totally, and I get that argument from some on here, my main gripe last night was surrending the ball via our tactics. I totally get that's how we play at times, and agree totally with those tactics against some teams. Just think when teams like Brighton (and no disrespect to Brighton as I think they are a decent side) come to our place we should be enforcing our football on them, especially as we do have players now who can keep the ball and create.Ironing Board wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:59 pm It is worth pointing out that we were statistically the superior side when you take possession out of the mix.
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I'd imagine they were statistically superior in winning possession too if such a stat exists. They pressed us when we had possession continuously and forced a number of errors.Ironing Board wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:59 pm It is worth pointing out that we were statistically the superior side when you take possession out of the mix.
Ultimately the only statistic that matters was shared though, and on the balance of play, rightly
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Thing is Brighton are a hard team to play against. We actually created more against them than most so far this season. I guess it is an ugly tactic, but also the only way to negate their style. At least with our players.Clacton-ammer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:04 pm Totally, and I get that argument from some on here, my main gripe last night was surrending the ball via our tactics. I totally get that's how we play at times, and agree totally with those tactics against some teams. Just think when teams like Brighton (and no disrespect to Brighton as I think they are a decent side) come to our place we should be enforcing our football on them, especially as we do have players now who can keep the ball and create.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
Yeah that's a really good point.kentishiron wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:14 pm It is no different to a goalkeeper making a save and scoring the rebound, which again would be offside
Though Antonio's touch didn't impact the goal as it was already goalbound, but had he tapped in Dawson's shot it's offside so I understand the decision.
Just thoroughly unlucky.
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They are a hard side to play against, but I don't like your comment "our players" so how many Brighton players would you choose over ours?? One maybe, Lamptey. We have some very good players now, players that can play all sorts of football, so against Brighton let them go and play is what I am saying.Ironing Board wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:31 pm Thing is Brighton are a hard team to play against. We actually created more against them than most so far this season. I guess it is an ugly tactic, but also the only way to negate their style. At least with our players.
Its just a frustrations from last night, still hugely in the Moyes/coaching staff/players camp, we are fighting on all fronts, they have given us a huge amount to be proud of, and I am still very proud and will remain so. Just like us to take games like last night with a little bit more "on the front foot" - I think our players are good enough to do it.
I get that maybe Moyes thought let them have the ball, we will break quick and win the game, we almost did, so many could argue he had it spot on with the amount of fixtures we have in December - I get it, I just think the players would feel less tired if they are winning, and winning with them playing a little more on the front foot in games like that.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
We didn’t set out to let them have the ball…..we scored after 5 minutes. An early goal will always dictate the dynamic of the game.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
And to cap a disappointing night the OV shows Brighton to have some knowledgeable sensible fans.
They wind me up being our bogey team but good luck to them. Great ground, decent manager and hard working.
They wind me up being our bogey team but good luck to them. Great ground, decent manager and hard working.
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
And if the game lasted only 89 minutes we would have...
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
Decent OV
Thought we deserved to win though and should have put the game to bed before they equalised.
Brighton are a decent side and will turn a few more sides over this season
Back to winning ways on Saturday hopefully
Thought we deserved to win though and should have put the game to bed before they equalised.
Brighton are a decent side and will turn a few more sides over this season
Back to winning ways on Saturday hopefully
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Re: ⚽ West Ham Utd v Brighton & Hove Albion: match thread
I cannot recall ever thinking similar when the opposition scores against us, nor could I ever imagine a time when I would.iLoveLasagne wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:21 pm My mind was thinking 'good on ya' as it sailed into the net. .