Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

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Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

Post by The Straw » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:28 am

If it reverted to the old knockout format then perhaps:

- No club would be guaranteed the obscene revenue just for qualifying and playing six lucrative group games before Christmas every year.
- The usual suspects couldn't budget for that guaranteed income every season because if they got knocked out in round 1 the income stops.
- This would mean it would be harder to keep those huge squads of the best players happy because, again, they wouldn't be guaranteed those games and that revenue.
- It would be more exciting. Anything could happen in every round.

It would have a trickle-down effect to the other domestic clubs as well. Good young players would be less inclined to be squad players at ‘Top 4’ clubs.. Less run outs in easy group stage games etc. One dodgy result in an early round and you could be out of the competition for years. It happens in the PL. Ask Leeds or Forest or Shef Weds. Clubs with great history but who didn’t have the luxury of such fail-safes.

That is sport and nothing should be so guaranteed.

I think it would also be interesting if the winners of the FA Cup qualified for the European Cup (at the expense of finishing 4th). Let’s bring some pride back to that great competition.

I genuinely think that a reformatting like this would open up so many possibilities and give greater integrity to the sport. In 10 years the landscape could look a lot different. If Man City get knocked out of the European Cup and the FA Cup early doors for a few years and then it’s much harder for them, as it should be.

Obviously it would never happen because of the money involved but what do you lot think as a concept? Or how else would you change it?

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Re: Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

Post by Believer » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:12 am

The Straw wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:28 am


Obviously it would never happen because of the money involved but what do you lot think as a concept? Or how else would you change it?
Unfortunately, although an interesting thought, for the reasons you mention, it’ll never happen. If anything, they’re already thinking of ways that “the chosen few” can earn even more money (super league).

With reference to the FA Cup qualification, although it’s a good shout, you only need to look at last nights Man U v Villa game to see that the same teams would be reaching the final anyway. They spent 3.5 minutes trying to find a reason to disallow Villa’s equaliser and settled on a block on Cavani, yet Shaw nearly broke a Villa players nose and no penalty. The game is ruined.

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Re: Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:31 am

The old European Cup is definitely viewed with rose coloured spectacles. It was a premium tournament for sure but apart from some heavyweight ties in the later rounds was often pretty dull. The random nature of the draw also allowed some poor teams to get to the final and meant there were a lot of one sided thrashings in the earlier rounds.
I don't really watch the Champions League but I think it is a pretty decent tournament overall. It is certainly a better format at identifying the best team in Europe in that season - which is the point.
Having said that I think it was better when only three clubs from big leagues were included and one of those had to go through qualifying. Four is too many and reduces the number of actual League winners included.

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Re: Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

Post by DenziMart » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:54 am

Seeing Forest knock out Liverpool in the 1st round was amazing and unfortunately something we will never see again.
It's those games that the supposed big teams want to eradicate to ensure they have a healthy revenue stream at the expense of all others.
Those clubs want to see the Champions League reform over the coming years and become more "exclusive", stopping supposed smaller teams from qualifying and becoming the "European Super League" in all but name. Over time I expect they will get their way. UEFA aren't against the idea of a European Super League, they are just against the idea of anyone else running it.

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Re: Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

Post by sendô » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:04 am

Yeah but if they did that how would the big clubs hoard all the wealth?

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Re: Hypothetical: If The Champions League was a knockout competition from the start?

Post by Het-Field » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:44 am

Unfortunately money talks, and we are only going to see the expansion of tournaments as opposed to contractions. The conference league is an example, and is not a genuine opportunity for a small club to win silverware, but for a mid ranker from a top league to have a European final, while leaving the bigger competitions to the bigger boys.

International football is also expanding and there is now talk of bi-annual Euros and World Cuos. Presumably without scrapping the Nations League which supposedly replaced friendly matches (which still exist).

Football is just going to continue expanding as it follows the money. There will be more saturation for fans, more efforts at international expansion whereby big teams look to capitalise on untapped markets, at the expense of local clubs. And whenever ducks are in a row, the Super League, in some format will happen, which will financially benefit those who benefited from the current system, only to change the system when the emperor clearly had no clothes.

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