Ajax's goal difference in the Eredivisie [non WHU]

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Re: Ajax's goal difference in the Eredivisie [non WHU]

Post by YorksHammer » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:05 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
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COmparing Suarez, Van nistelrooj and Van Persie to Haller :crylol:

Haller was **** and a waste of money, and thankfully he has gone
He clearly wasn't a bad player, given his return in the Champions League this season (although clearly helped by playing against some of the more porous defences in the competition) - but for us it just didn't work. Happens with players all the time.

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Re: Ajax's goal difference in the Eredivisie [non WHU]

Post by sendô » Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:53 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:00 am
COmparing Suarez, Van nistelrooj and Van Persie to Haller :crylol:

Haller was **** and a waste of money, and thankfully he has gone
Noone has compared Haller to any of those players.

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Re: Ajax's goal difference in the Eredivisie [non WHU]

Post by Billy Hunt » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:09 am

szola wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:45 am


Ajax also took a drubbing on the fist day of their season losing 0:4 against PSV in the Super Cup final....
Well I know the Dutch are an open minded nation, but this is quite something :shock:

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Post by Bubbles Fortuna » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:13 am

I'm sorry but those examples are like saying non-league is the place to go for strikers and citing Vardy and Antonio but ignoring Afolayan and Paul McCallum.

Of course there are exceptions, but generally being the top scorer in the Dutch league means literally nothing, and many of them have been signed and completely flopped.

Anyone in England signing Haller on his Ajax form and ignoring his West Ham form is an idiot.

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Re: Ajax's goal difference in the Eredivisie [non WHU]

Post by Het-Field » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:16 am

Haller was a victim of his transfer fee. It was a record and north of £40 million. On paper you expect a large return of goals. In reality, he cost twice the price of Hernandez, for a lower return. Ditto Arnie. The difficulties for players like Haller and Anderson are just that but more obvious, and why lads like Bowen prove to be a pleasant surprise when the do very well in the PL. had Haller been bought for £20 million I think views would be different.

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Post by sendô » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:18 am

Bubbles Fortuna wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:13 am
I'm sorry but those examples are like saying non-league is the place to go for strikers and citing Vardy and Antonio but ignoring Afolayan and Paul McCallum.

Of course there are exceptions, but generally being the top scorer in the Dutch league means literally nothing, and many of them have been signed and completely flopped.
No, you clearly stated categorically that the Dutch league is not the place to go to hunt for strikers, and I merely provided a couple of obvious examples that proves your statement incorrect.

The comparison with non-league is not really comparing apples for apples given the extreme disparity in standards. A more accurate comparison would be the Championship, but you can do it for literally any league where a player coming in has done well but is not at the very top level.

The reality is, some players who looked good outside of the PL do not do well in the PL, regardless of where they were before.

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Post by Bubbles Fortuna » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:38 pm

There hasn't been a successful transfer from that league in years. Just ****ing through the last 5 or 6 years of top goalscorers and the only one who went on to score at a decent level is Weghorst.

The likes of De Jong and Jahanbakhsh especially stand out for scoring huge amounts of goals and flopping in England, the standard is much lower than the Championship.

On that note, why aren't we sending more players there to play for Venlo like Chelsea do with Vitesse?

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Post by lincolnhammer1963 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:18 pm

To put some kind of context to this astonishing goal difference that Ajax have so far achieved this season.

West Ham have played in 25 seasons of Premier league football since its inception in 1992 and have only ever achieved a positive goal difference in 2 of those 25 seasons.
I think we will achieve another one this season, and I'm guessing a bit here. But I think our aggregate positive goal difference combined will be about 35 for those 3 seasons
That quite frankly is shocking when you consider that we have finished 10th or above on 9 of those 25 seasons.
We have been p*ss poor defensively for years

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Re: Ajax's goal difference in the Eredivisie [non WHU]

Post by D C » Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:26 am

Bubbles Fortuna wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:38 pm
There hasn't been a successful transfer from that league in years. Just ****ing through the last 5 or 6 years of top goalscorers and the only one who went on to score at a decent level is Weghorst.

The likes of De Jong and Jahanbakhsh especially stand out for scoring huge amounts of goals and flopping in England, the standard is much lower than the Championship.

On that note, why aren't we sending more players there to play for Venlo like Chelsea do with Vitesse?
Technically and tactically it’s miles ahead of The Championship. It just happens that the style of play in that league doesn’t translate so well to the Prem. The other top European leagues have had plenty of success buy from the Eredivisie. Prem clubs are usually better off buying from France or the Championship if buying from a lesser league

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