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Re: Issa Diop

Post by S-H » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:00 pm

I'm not one to single out players for criticism.

But when you look at the work Moyes has done, with improving players, since he arrived, you have to wonder if this is a good as it gets for Diop.

Maybe a move back to France would be best for everyone, he seems like a decent lad, and I'm sure he trys his best, but if he isn't progressing now, in this team, under Moyes' guidance, then I don't think he ever will.

Such a shame, as he was brilliant in his first season, I know I had high hopes for him

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by RichieRiv » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:08 pm

He was very promising when he furst turned up. We thought we had pulled off a transfer coup.

What happened!?

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by Georgee Paris » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:12 pm

Yeah I think today might have been the straw that breaks the camels back for Diop unfortunately.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by StevePottsGoalsReel » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:14 pm

A lot of people are obsessed with him and at times it's like he's the only West Ham player that ever makes mistakes - which after a car crash performance like today's is pretty absurd.

Diop was pretty crap today, but Cresswell, Coufal and Dawson were all worse and each made at least one mistake bigger than anything Diop did wrong.

Poor b*stard. Hope we get Zouma back soon, plus some other CB upgrades, and he gets a Haller-like revival somewhere else.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by funky chicken » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:30 pm

Could you ever see us getting our money back for him?

Sullivan really is bad at this transfer business lark isn’t he!?

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by stu1 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:33 pm

RichieRiv wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:08 pm
He was very promising when he furst turned up. We thought we had pulled off a transfer coup.

What happened!?
People got over excited and looked past his mistakes because he was only 21/22 and thought he would improve.

He lost form pretty quickly (5 months in) but everyone blamed that on having to play with Ogbonna which is quite assuming in hindsight.

The problem is he is no longer a youngster and he’s not cut those mistakes out, whilst he’s also lost confidence.

The fact people still think we will get our money back or even a profit from Newcastle is baffling.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:34 pm

Certainly not top level Premier league standard.

FWIW, Dawson isn't much better. Seeing Zouma and Oggy perform makes the other two look shocking.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by rigoberts song » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:43 pm

If he's the answer to Newcastles problems I hate to think what the question is.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by sendô » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:48 pm

Unfortunately, I don't think he has the brain to be a top level footballer.

He constantly makes the wrong decision, his positioning is poor, he gets caught on the ball, makes the wrong pass or else makes a bad one, and for someone who must be 6'6" gets beaten to headers far too often.

Whilst he is first choice week in week out, we will never make it at the very top level.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by HammerTime86 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:49 pm

Always been a supporter of Issa. But, even though I've thought it a few times before, I think I'm burned on him finally.

It's that regular mistake he has in him. Although I do cut him some slack when he's paired with Dawson cos I wonder how the latter's lack of pace affects Diop's decision making (i.e. that trying to nick the ball and only succeeding half the time).

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by the pink palermo » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:09 pm

Marcelo did his homework.

The Leeds game plan was to press everyone except Diop, meaning the ball always ended up with him, to ensure he had to make the forward pass, which was either the wrong one or poorly executed most of the time.

His decision making has always been poor, imo he lacks aggression, and he generally cannot pass to a team mate forward of him.

However, today, he was one of a number of players who disappointed, Lanzini was off the pace and Dawson was no more than average.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by stu1 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:21 pm

It’s funny think for years Diop has been considered a ball playing CB by many or worth ago as DM.

We really should have been targeting bringing in two CBs this window and shifting Diop.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by LeonRivers » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:26 pm

StevePottsGoalsReel wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:14 pm
A lot of people are obsessed with him and at times it's like he's the only West Ham player that ever makes mistakes - which after a car crash performance like today's is pretty absurd.

Diop was pretty crap today, but Cresswell, Coufal and Dawson were all worse and each made at least one mistake bigger than anything Diop did wrong.
A mistake is understandable. Issa didn’t make mistakes. He just wasn’t good enough.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by Tristan Shout » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:28 pm

I remember mourinho singing his praises a few years back saying we have a real talent on our hands, be interesting to know who he was playing alongside that game, maybe he plays better alongside a better cb that leads, helps him and orders him about, rather than just let him get on with it?

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by Dwight1970 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:43 pm

I think the defensively problem we have is not just Diop but not having someone good enough to play on the left side of our defence in Ogbonna's absence.

Diop seems to have drawn the short straw of having to play alongside an ageing Cresswell, the non-defender that is Arthur and an out of position Johnson, I doubt Dawson had he playing out of his natural position there would be performing any better and Diop might not the subject of conversation had he been on the right.

Any side playing their 3rd and 4th choice centre backs together would expect to be performing weaker but you would expect one of them would be left sided.

Today Leeds knew how exploit Diop but equally did to the same to show the limitations of our other centre back, full backs, Lanzini and Antonio's games and fully deserved their win, the big worry is games like this we did not have the options available to counter it.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by prophet:marginal » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:44 pm

Tristan Shout wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:28 pm
I remember mourinho singing his praises a few years back saying we have a real talent on our hands, be interesting to know who he was playing alongside that game, maybe he plays better alongside a better cb that leads, helps him and orders him about, rather than just let him get on with it?
A quite remarkable collection of defenders, all told, as much as Fabianski was the keeper that day, too.

Zabaleta - Balbuena - Diop - Masuaku

:D

Day also featured Anderson's first goal for the club.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by The hayfield » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:52 pm

He's completely lost all his confidence . I can't blame Moyes for much but letting balbuena go while keeping him is an absolute howler. I'd be on the phone to Howe IST thing tomorrow morning to see if they still want him. Ben Johnson despite his lack of inches would be a far better centre half than him as he can at least read whats going on in front of him .

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by Diogenes » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:56 pm

StevePottsGoalsReel wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:14 pm
A lot of people are obsessed with him and at times it's like he's the only West Ham player that ever makes mistakes - which after a car crash performance like today's is pretty absurd.

Diop was pretty crap today, but Cresswell, Coufal and Dawson were all worse and each made at least one mistake bigger than anything Diop did wrong.

Poor b*stard. Hope we get Zouma back soon, plus some other CB upgrades, and he gets a Haller-like revival somewhere else.
However, it isn't just today. It is most games this season and steadily getting worse. I would rather play Alese or Baptiste than Diop at the moment. As I said previously, his performance today was one of the worst I have seen in over 40 years.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by bonzosbeard » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:01 pm

He doesn't command. Other players will know this too.

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Re: Issa Diop

Post by Rio » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:09 pm

RichieRiv wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:08 pm
He was very promising when he furst turned up. We thought we had pulled off a transfer coup.

What happened!?
That last minute surge up the pitch at the first game at Tottenham’s then new ground was the turning point. A real sliding doors moment. In some other footballing universe Issa finishes that run by belting the ball home from 20 yards, running into the adoring arms of the travelling West Ham faithful. Then goes on to be the defensive monster we saw the shoots of in his debut season. Picking up Ballon D’Ors, universal adulation and silverware galore.

But alas, that energy sapping run, resulted in that powderpuff effort. The confidence since drained from him, we wound up to today’s performance.

Next stop sitting outside Westfield necking a bottle of cheap vodka from a brown paper bag and shouting at passing pensioners. By passing pensioners I mean those who continually outpace him in a bid to be first in the queue at the post office

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