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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Puff Daddy » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:06 pm

The fall of those wickets was utterly shambolic. Awful laughable and painful to watch. It was men against schoolboys Village Green cricketers, all of them. c**** the lot of them. :thdn: Headbanger

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Post by smuts » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:31 pm

For what it's worth player ratings out of 10.

Burns - 2. Technique exposed by the Aussies and his fielding was poor. Set the scene for the series for England with the first ball, came back in and couldn't be arsed to dive to save his wicket and then his odd technique cost him his wicket today when he was looking set to kick on.

Hameed - 1.5. Still not a test batsman, perhaps he never will be.

Crawley - 3. Some promise when he was thrown back in undercooked but needs a lot of work.

Malan - 4. started well but then fell off a cliff. Test standard number 3? Never in a million years but in there because the cupboard is bare.

Root - 6 for his batting but still can't get a century down under, was really unlucky today. 2 for his captaincy.

Stokes - 4. Hampered by injury and scratched around for form. His dismissal today when he just had to stick around for a while summed it up.

Pope - 1. Did okay as sub WK but his batting was atrocious. Can't play spin and his wicket today was absolutely laughable.

Buttler - 2. Got to be it in the test arena. Sloppy with the gloves and once again all at sea with the bat. Give the gloves to Foakes.

Billings - 6 did well with the gloves and a decent 29 in the first innings but a feeble effort second time up.

Bairstow - 7. Only century for us on the tour so that's something.

Woakes - 3. Nice guy but it's never worked for him in Australia and it was the same old here.

Anderson - 5. Always economical but once again struggled to take wickets in Australia. Its all very well saying its time for him to retire but its not like there's loads knocking on the door is there?

Broad - 6. Always a competitor.

Robinson - 4.5. Decent for the first 6 overs then starts blowing out his arse. Looked like he just gave up his wicket today to just put us out of out misery.

Wood - 8. First innings of the fifth test apart he was easily our man of the series. Deserved better with some of his spells where he got little reward.

Leach- 2. Another spinner joins the Root graveyard. Thrown to the wolves in the first test and when he was bought in, most of the time Root sets a field that shows little confidence in him.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by wolf359 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:12 pm

Just sped through our innings after the match without knowing the score. Up to the first wicket great, I actually had a hint of hope then what the hell, the usual spineless ****. Stokes’s shot in particular was awful.

I’m sure they’ll be a report, some head scratching, but the protectionism of the counties will kick in and nothing will change.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by westham,eggyandchips » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:30 pm

psychoscoredthelot wrote:
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I backed 4:0 to the Aussies. Bang on track
Nice one mate. :thup:

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by smuts » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:12 pm

Galling thing is that Warner, Smith and to a lesser extent Labushagne had pretty average series yet nearly everyone around them stepped up.

Green looks like he could be a genuinely all time great all rounder, Khawaja comes in and scores a ton and Boland makes debut and we make him look like Mcgrath just because he bowls line and length.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Tenbury » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:05 am

If the ECB take test cricket seriously* then they will undertake a Root ( :wink:) and branch overhaul of the entiresystem similar to that performed on the one day game a few years back.

* (I'm not sure they do, other than the Ashes series, where's the cash return?)

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by SoulCircus » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:59 am

If the ECB ever get round to sorting out the fixture list for this season we'll see if they've made at least the obvious change and moved a few CC rounds to the summer months.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Plashet Grove Pete » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:40 pm

Just heard a radio interview with Silverwood. He's keen to stay on.

Good luck with that mate. You'd be out of your depth in a puddle.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Bend it like Repka » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:37 pm

So I left home for our game after tea, when we'd just lost Malan. Was I shocked (don't know why) when I saw the game was over when I checked on my phone on the train journey.

The complaint was that with our openers getting out quickly it exposed our middle order too early. What's the excuse now?

Just shocking, it really is rock bottom.

Was interesting to watch Cook and Butcher analyse why county crickets take an off stump guard, and then explain why Crawley and Pope are struggling at test level. Our coaching is nonsense.

How do we change this? It could take years. We need red ball cricket in June, we need better wickets, and we need better coaching.

When you look at Pope, how people raved about him, his county average, and then how exposed he is at test level, we have massive problems. I'd take him out the test arena for a couple of years and correct all the ****, hopefully he can come back a proper player.

The sad thing is there is not much else. These may well be the best we have.

All I would say is that covid has not helped, I understand people don't want bubbles and the demands of cricket, but rocking up in Australia, having a 2 day knock up and then playing 5 tests back to back, is it any wonder our already struggling batting line up failed?

Imagine West Ham having 2 days of pre season, then going to Liverpool, Chelsea and City for 3 games. What would happen? Would players rather win and spend an extra 10 days away, or have a quick in and out and get tuned?

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Tenbury » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:57 pm

Interesting piece by Jonathan Agnew on the BBC sport website (sorry can't do links, but, unsurprisingly it comes under 'cricket). He suggests (if I read it right) that for 4 day cricket, they move away from counties to something more like the Hundred franchises, thus ensuring that in the long version of game the best players, as it were, come up against those equal to them on a regular basis. It's radical stuff, probably far too radical for the doddery old twats in the shires.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by wolf359 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:25 pm

Tenbury wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:57 pm
Interesting piece by Jonathan Agnew on the BBC sport website
Read that, decent from Agnew as usual . Whatever the solution 18 counties is too many and they cannot be trusted to do what is right in the long term (neither can the ECB to be fair). We need 8-10 teams with as many English qualified players as possible, playing high quality, competitive cricket in near Test conditions (ball, rules, pitch etc)played a decent times (mid summer)

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by psychoscoredthelot » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:19 am

westham,eggyandchips wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:30 pm
Nice one mate. :thup:
Also had Cummings to be leading wicket taker. Which he did in the last session.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by EvilC » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:57 am

psychoscoredthelot wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:19 am
Also had Cummings to be leading wicket taker. Which he did in the last session.
Indeed, he has had the Prime Minister in all sorts of trouble recently.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by smuts » Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:22 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... shes-party

Why on earth would Thorpe share that video? He seemingly can't coach batsmen for toffee so no great loss when he probably gets let go.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Bend it like Repka » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:34 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:06 pm
The fall of those wickets was utterly shambolic. Awful laughable and painful to watch. It was men against schoolboys Village Green cricketers, all of them. ***** the lot of them. :thdn: Headbanger
I've actually only just watched the last 7 wickets. That was shameful, players literally throwing away their wickets so they could get it over with. I'd not tolerate that of my junior teams, let alone an England side.

Gutless and embarrassing. No desire to make the Aussies work. As far as I'm concerned that should be the last nail in Silverwoods coffin because clearly they don't think they will get a dressing down after that.

As for Pope's dismissal, his head is gone. That is the shot of a muddled junior. After listening to Cooks analysis of the off stump guard, you wonder what Thorpe has been saying to let Pope play like that.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by sendô » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:52 am

The 4-0 series result flattered us.

I'm not sure English test cricket has been at a lower ebb since the 90's.

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Puff Daddy » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:21 pm

Oh dear. Now our women are thrashed too

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by wolf359 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:27 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:
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Oh dear. Now our women are thrashed too
Equality and all that, the Aussies are equal opportunity 'thrashers'

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Puff Daddy » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:45 pm

I've just watched the manner in which some of them got out and it wasn't pretty

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Re: Cricket English Summer 2021 + Ashes

Post by Bend it like Repka » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:41 am

The difference is our women batted ok, our score wasn't too shabby. Our bowling wasn't good enough and their batting was superb.

More a case of well played Oz rather than us humiliating ourseleves

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