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Re: Coronavirus

Post by 666 hammer » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:29 pm

True. But is it safer? Considering all of this is about safety.
Why do they give a time limit after catching covid to having the vaccine? But expect staff in contact with the virus every day to take the vaccine when told.
So many questions still, that should have been answered.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by 'Appy 'Ammer » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm

Get back to the office chaps.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by uptonparkhurst » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:41 pm

666 hammer wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:29 pm
True. But is it safer? Considering all of this is about safety.
Why do they give a time limit after catching covid to having the vaccine? But expect staff in contact with the virus every day to take the vaccine when told.
So many questions still, that should have been answered.
When you get infected (or get a dose of vaccine) your adaptive immune system builds up a response,which slowly matures over time:a vaccination given too soon interferes with this process.
This is why,ideally you wait (at least) three months between vaccinations.
It's also why after the first dose,you have absolutely no protection whatsoever until at least a week later and why ,in Israel in the first week of their vaccination campaign when people began to socialise immediately after getting jabbed -
the infection rate doubled!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Greatest Hits Vol1 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:42 am

So I’ve read endless pages of moaning about covid passes and face masks but not a single post about those policies ending? I think it’s not only the bbc who have been caught up in spreading fear and doom.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by 666 hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:03 am

I have heard on the radio complaints about it ending. People with weakened immunity are scared, that the healthy will be getting back to normal whilst they continue to protect their selves. This is some how selfish of the healthy people.
The more we get back to normal, the more tax is raised to pay for all the lost services. Our children will be paying this off as it is.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Crouchend_Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:08 am

'Appy 'Ammer wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm
Get back to the office chaps.
Already am back in
Will be good to have a few more people about in the area

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by RichieRiv » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:14 am

I'll be glad when Greater Anglia reinstate a full timetable opposed to a Sunday service. Its been an absolute **** commuting this year.

Although my loss is Shenfield taxis gain.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by S-H » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:32 am

'Appy 'Ammer wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm
Get back to the office chaps.
Never stopped.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by EvilC » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:42 am

'Appy 'Ammer wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm
Get back to the office chaps.
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Seriously, I want to go back a couple of days a week but this really is a matter for employees and their employer.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Hummer_I_mean_Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:46 am

RichieRiv wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:14 am
I'll be glad when Greater Anglia reinstate a full timetable opposed to a Sunday service. Its been an absolute **** commuting this year.

Although my loss is Shenfield taxis gain.
Brentwood Station?

Quite a few years back I use to use Brentwood station, my memory is of one particular cold winter braving the crossing down the bottom of the hill (the road which heads up to the high street) as the cars coming down that hill struggled to stop at those lights due to the snow & ice. Hated it.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 am

I should try and go back into the office for at least a couple of days a week. I'm really struggling to get into the swing of things working from home, Especially since Christmas. I'm starting to have thoughts like...

Why am I here?
Does anyone else even know I'm here?
Does anyone else even know who I am anymore?
What's the ****ing point?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by SammyLeeWasOffside » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:07 am

Burnley Hammer wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 am
Why am I here?
Does anyone else even know I'm here?
Does anyone else even know who I am anymore?
What's the ****ing point?
You live be in a house full of women as well eh 🤣

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:09 am

SammyLeeWasOffside wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:07 am
You live be in a house full of women as well eh 🤣
Well I was actually referring to work.... but yeah I guess that applies too :)

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Hummer_I_mean_Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:51 am

Burnley Hammer wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:56 am
I should try and go back into the office for at least a couple of days a week. I'm really struggling to get into the swing of things working from home, Especially since Christmas. I'm starting to have thoughts like...

Why am I here?
Does anyone else even know I'm here?
Does anyone else even know who I am anymore?
What's the ****ing point?
Careful of what you wish for.

Burnley turns up to the office, bumps into an old esteemed work colleague... sorry, but who are you? And how did you get past security? :crylol:

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:00 am

Just done some extremely crude estimates based on the FOI request for death figures excluding those with underlying health conditions, and the latest figures from the vaccine surveillance report.

From the FOI request it states that there were 512 deaths in 2021 Q3 that didn't have underlying health conditions and were under 65 years old. (Q4 figures have not been released yet)

I was hoping to have a more granular split rather than just under 65 so I looked at the finer figures in the most recent surveillance report to see what proportion each age group represents for that weeks deaths figure.

Predictably it works out that the numbers increase the older you get. So applying those proportions to the No Underlying Health Conditions figure you get:

Number of deaths with no underlying health conditions 2021 Q3

Under 65: 512 (around 43 a week, 6 a day)
Under 40: 68 (around 6 a week, 0.8 a day)
Under 18: 4 (around 0.3 a week, 0.05 a day)

Number of deaths with no underlying health conditions 2021 Q1 (The worst quarter we've had so far)

Under 65: 1560 (around 130 a week, 19 a day)
Under 40: 205 (around 17 a week, 2.5 a day)
Under 18: 11 (around 0.9 a week, 0.13 a day)

As I said, it's extremely crude and there's probably a load of caveats but hopefully it gives a rough indication of what you'd expect if you split the under 65 group down further

Ref:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... cember2021
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 2-2022.pdf

Edit: I realise that I should have perhaps chosen a surveillance report from a week in the quarter I'm comparing it with. I'll do that later and update.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Clacton-ammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:22 am

Heard something last night about underlying health issues, friend of mine has mild arthritis, this would be classed as an underlying health issue if he passed away from Covid, he has a friend that is a Dr when he discussed it with him, I presume him/DR are right, strange I thought?!?!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Burnley Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:47 am

Clacton-ammer wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:22 am
Heard something last night about underlying health issues, friend of mine has mild arthritis, this would be classed as an underlying health issue if he passed away from Covid, he has a friend that is a Dr when he discussed it with him, I presume him/DR are right, strange I thought?!?!
Depends if it's osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis. I'd guess any illness that either compromises the immune system or causes higher systemic inflammation or mitochondrial dysfunction would be relevant. I wouldn't have thought mild osteoarthritis would have much of an impact in comparison - I'd have thought most people over a certain age would suffer from that to some degree (which naturally would show a correlation as the elderly are more at risk from covid). There's all sorts of other risk factors that come into play too that don't fall into the underlying health conditions category, such as obesity and vitamin D levels. As there's no figures on that, we can only work with what we have.

I mean, personally, I'd love to know how many people are dying in my age group that have no relevant associated underlying health conditions known to increase risk, optimum vitamin D levels, and a good BMI score. I'll probably never have that data though so all I can do is make crude estimates.

The figures in the latest surveillance report are split by vaccinated and unvaccinated but only give reported cases and deaths within 28 days of infection from any cause. If I was to work out my chances from that then, for my age group and for being double jabbed, I get a 0.021% chance of death from infection and a 0.242% chance of being hospitalised. As we know though that a lot more people have been infected than have been reported, and that not all of those deaths were actually caused by covid, and that various other things increase risk by varying degrees as previously mentioned, I can feel confident in saying that the real percentages applied to me personally are probably much smaller than that.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by sendô » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:05 am

RichieRiv wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:14 am
I'll be glad when Greater Anglia reinstate a full timetable opposed to a Sunday service. Its been an absolute **** commuting this year.

Although my loss is Shenfield taxis gain.
Same. I'm doing £500 a month on train travel and I have to put up with a packed service that only runs every 30 minutes during rush hour. :thdn:

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Chicken Run Supreme » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:23 am

'Appy 'Ammer wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 pm
Get back to the office chaps.
Been WFH since 23/3/2020 now, seems like forever. My employers are looking at hybrid working as long term policy, 2 days in office and 3 at home. Working life for many will never return to the way it was.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Hummer_I_mean_Hammer » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:30 am

^^^ I'd imagine that each industry has kind of defined itself over the last couple of years, those that can WFH will in most cases still WFH, those that haven't will carry on. Some adjustments will be expected, like space utilisation and building reviews, even some 'gogetting' type managers who want to stamp their authority on the workplace, but on the whole I imagine that the new norm has been identified.

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