January 2022 Transfer Window

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by fmgod » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:44 am

Chelsea's business model is

Buy player
Sign player to long contract
Loan to club x charge them a good fee and the wages
Rinse and repeat
They've then made the profit on player with loan fees and can sell at a fee

It's genius business and why they've been loaning 40 players out a year and still have Van Ginkel, Bakayako, etc on the payroll

They've come unstuck with Emerson though, as they have no left back they want to recall him but because Lyon paid a fee, they can't unless they can strike a deal with them

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Puff Daddy » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:49 am

When you think about it, we have three totally different people, all with their own very different agenda's, operating over player transfers. Is it any surprise therefore, we find this all so frustrating and difficult to conclude any deals ?

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Aceface » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:52 am

smuts wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:43 am
With Antonio now off to play 3 WCQ in 7 days, we have to move now surely?
I'm all for signing a striker but lets drill down into this expel S-H thing and make sure it's watertight before we rush into any signings we may regret. Maybe we'll be ok to go another six months without reinforcements.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by the bubble hammer » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:53 am

Lingard is indeed out in Dubai, but he's out there with Man Utd. Unless Rashford and Dalot are signing for Newcastle as well, then there is no connection with where he is to who he will sign for

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by sutts07 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:53 am

El brooko79 wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:38 am
I think Man Utd would rather he sees out his contract than let us have him this window.
I don't think Man Utd will see us as a credible threat to them in the League. Call it arrogance on their part, or realism.
Either way, they have played us twice and beaten us twice. Us having Lingard in our side when we go and have a crack at all of their rivals (the 'super six') would be no bad thing in their eyes.

Said many a time in this thread. This one will be a case of who blinks first. Man Utd won't want to have him sat around doing sweet FA for six months then walking away for nothing (I can't imagine Lingard will want to sit around not playing either).

Man Utd won't want to just give him away for pennies either (which is what I'm assuming us and Spurs are offering considering he is available for nothing in the summer).

Then the final part of the puzzle is Lingard actually wanting to go to a club. I can't see him wanting to go to a club like Newcastle to fight relegation for six months then be stuck there if they go down. Not when he can join a team playing in Europe for free this summer.

Something will have to give on deadline day or as we get close to it. It feels as though it is going to take a club like Spurs, WHU or Villa to stump up a decent transfer fee, or Man Utd have to decide to cut their losses.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Heysel76 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:54 am

S-H wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:08 am
Man Utd do not want to deal with us!
In fairness, isn't that "allegedly" too?

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by damo » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:54 am

S-H wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:18 am
Let's say the Broja links are true, is there anyway the deal can be done to bring him in this month, or would it need to wait until his loan has finished in the summer?
Chelsea don't need to have a Broja recall option.
If a club offers to buy him then Chelsea can sell him and the Saints have no say in the matter, unless they have an option to buy in the contract.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Georgee Paris » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:55 am

Aceface wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:52 am
I'm all for signing a striker but lets drill down into this expel S-H thing and make sure it's watertight before we rush into any signings we may regret. Maybe we'll be ok to go another six months without reinforcements.
For sure - I’m all for relegation if it means getting shot of him.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by WestcliffHammer » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:57 am

Next summer is the one thats going to hurt us even more Newcastle, Southampton, Villa, Man Utd all going to be very active in the transfer market all with significantly richer owners than we have all also competing for the same sort of standard of player and can't offer the salaries they will be able to. As I've said the ideal time to get a step ahead was to invest last January spend properly in the Summer and lay down foundations of deals this January during the season. We've had our opportunity to progress. If its true Man Utd don't want to sell Lingard to us well when Rice looks to leave in the summer when we've plummeted down the league with the lack of players and no Europa League at minimum we should also refuse to sell to Man Utd but we will at the first opportunity too and it will be nowhere near hes market value Rice's comments after the game sounded not far off a come and get me plea

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by chalks » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:58 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:07 am
Honestly, our transfer activities are an absolute farce
Yeah they've been farcical for the past 2 years havent they :asleep:

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Bubbles Fortuna » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:02 am

WestcliffHammer wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:57 am
Next summer is the one thats going to hurt us even more Newcastle, Southampton, Villa, Man Utd all going to be very active in the transfer market all with significantly richer owners than we have all also competing for the same sort of standard of player and can't offer the salaries they will be able to. As I've said the ideal time to get a step ahead was to invest last January spend properly in the Summer and lay down foundations of deals this January during the season. We've had our opportunity to progress. If its true Man Utd don't want to sell Lingard to us well when Rice looks to leave in the summer when we've plummeted down the league with the lack of players and no Europa League at minimum we should also refuse to sell to Man Utd but we will at the first opportunity too and it will be nowhere near hes market value Rice's comments after the game sounded not far off a come and get me plea
Wow this is depressing.

We're already much better than Southampton, Villa and Newcastle.

They can go nuts in the market and we'll likely still be much better.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Bubbles Fortuna » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:03 am

chalks wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:58 am
Yeah they've been farcical for the past 2 years havent they :asleep:
Bowen, Soucek, Coufal, Zouma, Areola an absolute farce!

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by S-H » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:04 am

Heysel76 wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:54 am
In fairness, isn't that "allegedly" too?
To be fair, you're right.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by paulhs1 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:04 am

chalks wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:58 am
Yeah they've been farcical for the past 2 years havent they :asleep:
Totally un necessary to leave it this late. It can be argued that Newcadtle bringing in players early contributed to their win at the weekend.

Beyond bonkers.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Absolutely Hammered! » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 am

S-H wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:08 am
Man Utd do not want to deal with us!
Thankfully come the summer the only people we need to deal with is Lingard and his brother (assuming he does want to come and doesn't go anywhere in Jan)

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Heysel76 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 am

S-H wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:04 am
To be fair, you're right.

:newthumb:
Allegedly :crylol:

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Puff Daddy » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:05 am

chalks wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:58 am
Yeah they've been farcical for the past 2 years havent they :asleep:
Yes that's right, they have

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by smuts » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:07 am

Maybe Lingard's aim has always been to see out his contract and then negotiate a whopping signing on fee with his new club knowing they've saved on his transfer fee.

Whatever the reason, it's a shame that a player of his talent has once again gone back to hardly doing anything...unless it's sticking one in the top corner against us. :fsake:

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

Post by Hammer in Hornchurch » Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:07 am

WestcliffHammer wrote:
Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:28 am
Were going to get this every single window from now on Newcastle hoovering up any potential deals clubs like us have any realistic of signing. This morning with the Lingard situation just compounds this they will stay up now and next summer spend bigger and out of sight of us we've had our chance of the top 4 now last season we needed a striker we didn't get one the summer Kral, Vlasic were terrible deals Kral was a loan but pointless. We are a shambles off the pitch an absolute shambles a manager who has done amazing things but in the transfer market is dithering and then has the front to say Antonio is dead on hes feet, That is on you Moyes you've had time to address this but no, We have a board whose only there for a property deal they can spout theres money to spend prove it then! Did we really leave UP for this? They said we left there the go to the next level champions league football well Gold, Sullivan and Brady were pretty much at that point now so prove its not all BS.
I agree with most of what you say.
But this is West Ham and this is just normal service resumed.
Moyes has done well. He is the perfect manager for these owners. Secure premier league football and rake in the money. It’s the West Ham way.

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