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Post by Joyeux Marteau » Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:27 pm

DrVenk wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:06 pm
I was an insomniac on and off for four years, so feel your frustration mate.

When you say struggling, can you unpack that? Struggling to fall asleep or to stay asleep or get good quality deep sleep or a combination?
Apologies for the late reply DrVenk.

I didn’t mean to hijack the thread but to try to create a resource to help people sleep better.

I find it hard to “get off” to sleep as my mind doesn’t want to stop thinking. I’ve drastically cut down on my caffeine and have upped my exercise during the day. Still the same issue.

I’ve also tried an earlier “bedtime” but I keep dropping off on the sofa with no warning. Although I think this is to do with my arthritis but I’m not sure. If this happens I can’t drop off when I actually try to go to bed.

I’ve bought some cbd oil as recommended by SH and will try it as soon as it arrives. I’m also looking at the cherry supplement as recommended by Burnley.

I have a sleep tracker on my watch and I only seem to get light sleep or very rarely REM or deep sleep. Usually less than an hour of deep sleep and average between 4-7 hours a night.

Weirdly I seem to sleep better if I have a drink. Usually only on a Saturday but nothing excessive a couple at most. Might be just because I know I’m not working on Sunday.

Hopefully I’ll be able to get better sleep at some point.

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Post by Samba » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:27 pm

mushy wrote:
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Nice one S-H.
What make and strength CBD oil are you using?
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Post by mushy » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:34 pm

Big shout out to Andy's Man Clubs who appear to do an excellent job with Men's mental health.
They have weekly meetings every Monday both in person (in a hall) and on Zoom.
Basically you can go along and talk about all your struggles and be listened to with a non-judgemental ear. You can talk as much or as little as you want, in fact you don't have to talk at all, you can just listen to others.
They were originally based up North but now have clubs in Southend and Chelmsford and are aiming to open their first London branch in Barnet in the next couple of months. My initial dealings with them are extremely positive.
If you need any more info then please check out the website.
https://andysmanclub.co.uk/

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Post by Burnley Hammer » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:56 pm

Joyeux Marteau wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:27 pm
I’ve bought some cbd oil as recommended by SH and will try it as soon as it arrives. I’m also looking at the cherry supplement as recommended by Burnley.

I have a sleep tracker on my watch and I only seem to get light sleep or very rarely REM or deep sleep. Usually less than an hour of deep sleep and average between 4-7 hours a night.
Melatonin (3mg) seems to really help me sleep better and longer. You can't get it in the UK without prescription but you can get it from other places where it's treated as a supplement and have it imported. I bought a bottle of 180 capsules from Biovea for about 20 quid (imported from the US) and it came through customs OK. As a bonus, studies have also shown that it's beneficial against COVID. You do see some report side effects but I used to take it all the time back when you used to be able to buy it on Ebay and had no side effects at all, only benefits. Rhonda Patrick takes it - that's good enough for me ;) It's also been shown to help with the body's production of glutathione and protect against mitochondrial dysfunction.

With regards to the sleep tracker, both my sleep tracker and my girlfriends both show similar results with regards to deep sleep. I don't know whether this suggests that its perfectly normal to have such small amounts of deep sleep, or that sleep tracking watches are crap! :)

Does it always say that your hour of deep sleep happens at the beginning of the night, not long after you've fallen asleep?

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Post by btajim - mcfc » Sat Jan 22, 2022 4:12 pm

RE: Suicide. My cousin, my dad’s brother’s only daughter, committed suicide. She had two young sons. Her funeral was the most difficult I’ve attended. My dad’s was easier as we all knew he was terminally ill and this day would come.

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Post by last.caress » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:49 am

I'm truly sorry to hear that, Jim, and I'm sorry for your loss.

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Post by Cockneyboy311 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:06 pm

Feeling a bit meh the last week or so. Probably just the 'January blues'.

Looking forward to lighter mornings and lighter evenings. Had enough of this winter weather now.

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Post by btajim - mcfc » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:11 pm

last.caress wrote:
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I'm truly sorry to hear that, Jim, and I'm sorry for your loss.
I didn’t know her particularly well as I’ve barely had a relationship with that side of the family. After my parents divorced, I was pretty much raised my mum’s side. My uncle never recovered and passed away a few years later. He left everything to his grandkids.

I shudder to think what might have happened had I not gone to the doctors when I fell ill.

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Post by last.caress » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:41 am

Cockneyboy311 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:06 pm
Feeling a bit meh the last week or so. Probably just the 'January blues'.

Looking forward to lighter mornings and lighter evenings. Had enough of this winter weather now.
I've long suspected that I might have seasonal affective disorder (S.A.D.) but I never got around to having a proper chat with the quack about it and, with the times in which we now live where you can't get a gp appointment for love nor money, it doesn't feel like something I can bring up with the doc anymore.

But I become terribly "down" whenever the day darkens up because of an incoming storm or whatever, and I have to fight lethargy, anxiety and weight gain every single autumn/winter; all symptoms of SAD. By March/April I start shedding weight, I become brighter, more focused. Come October, the cravings and depressions all come crashing in again.

I'm alright on bright days and I'm alright at night. It's just during the half-light of a gloomy wintery dawn or dusk, or the half-light of a grey gloomy poor-weather day, or as I say when the skies blacken right up in the middle of the day because a storm's coming. The sky in Pitsea seems to me to be almost permanently grey; as do the buildings, the floor, and most of the people.

I guess one could look at all that and say, "Pfft! You just don't like grey, gloomy weather. That's all. Who does? And everyone dodges the salads and tucks into the pasties in the cold weather. So what?" And that's all true, I suppose. But I think it's more than that. I think. I dunno.

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Post by Clacton-ammer » Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:34 am

Elsie, SAD is more common than people think. Jan is a ****er of a month for me too, Feb I start to feel more me again. Only thing I have to offer that helps me, lots of walks in the daylight, even when pishing down & grey, also, and this takes a huge amount of will power for me, I hit the gym really really hard in Jan just to get those good endorphins in my nut. I still suffer in Jan, sometimes Feb, but the above does help me get through it somewhat.

It is though a horrible feeling, so you have my sympathies.

One other thing, friend of mine has a SAD lamp, it wasn't for me but he said it helps him, maybe worth a go?

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Post by Cockneyboy311 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:27 pm

Clacton-ammer wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:34 am

One other thing, friend of mine has a SAD lamp, it wasn't for me but he said it helps him, maybe worth a go?
Those SAD Lamps are mental. Next door neighbour has one. It's like sticking your face into the Sun. I guess that is kind of the point but I was surprised at how bright it was.

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Post by Cockneyboy311 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:31 pm

last.caress wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:41 am
I've long suspected that I might have seasonal affective disorder (S.A.D.) but I never got around to having a proper chat with the quack about it and, with the times in which we now live where you can't get a gp appointment for love nor money, it doesn't feel like something I can bring up with the doc anymore.

But I become terribly "down" whenever the day darkens up because of an incoming storm or whatever, and I have to fight lethargy, anxiety and weight gain every single autumn/winter; all symptoms of SAD. By March/April I start shedding weight, I become brighter, more focused. Come October, the cravings and depressions all come crashing in again.

I'm alright on bright days and I'm alright at night. It's just during the half-light of a gloomy wintery dawn or dusk, or the half-light of a grey gloomy poor-weather day, or as I say when the skies blacken right up in the middle of the day because a storm's coming. The sky in Pitsea seems to me to be almost permanently grey; as do the buildings, the floor, and most of the people.

I guess one could look at all that and say, "Pfft! You just don't like grey, gloomy weather. That's all. Who does? And everyone dodges the salads and tucks into the pasties in the cold weather. So what?" And that's all true, I suppose. But I think it's more than that. I think. I dunno.

Although I wouldn't say I had SAD personally I can totally understand how you feel mate. You just cant beat that warm sun on your face.

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Post by Rio » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:51 pm

Anyone got experience with Mirtazapine?

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Post by pablo jaye » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:58 pm

Like others, I feel a bit down in the dumps more during this time of year and things are a lot more effort. One thing that I have found beneficial is getting out in the open - even in the cold and rain. I wrap up warm and look for signs of spring - birds, plants popping their heads up, insects. Surprisingly uplifting.

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Post by wolf359 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:26 pm

Well all things must come to an end. After 140 days I return to the world of work tomorrow got 11 days paternity leave cover in a school.

I’m looking forward to it but at the same time as today has gone on I’ve getting increasingly anxious. I doubt I’ll sleep tonight.

What I would say from my recent experience is realising something, work didn’t make me unhappy, I was just unhappy at work. I can say this because over the last 4 months have I haven’t been any happier, in fact at times I’ve felt worse.

It’s also make me think about what I want. If I’m asked I’ll say I want to be left alone, don’t want to get involved in work politics and generally want to ungracefully age, alone in my computer chair. We’ll I’ve done that for 4 months and I still feel generally rubbish. So maybe I don’t want that (or not that all the time), worst case I can be unhappy and earn money rather than be unhappy at home but maybe there is more.

That saying that I have felt quite good lately (last few weeks, being off the beer has unfortunately helped) I’d like to be able to report in two weeks I still do (fingers crossed).
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Post by S-H » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:27 pm

Good lucky Wolfie, hope it goes well :newthumb:

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Post by Tenbury » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:35 pm

Rio wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:51 pm
Anyone got experience with Mirtazapine?
Yes, been on it about 6-8 months.

Primarily the GP gave it to me to aid sleep (the chief side effect), usually I take something much stronger as an anti depressant. At first, the effect on sleep was remarkable, and as a result I felt unusually really well. In recent weeks they haven't been so effective, but I'm still sleeping far better than I used to.
Hope this helps, feel free to pm me if there's anything I've obviously missed out.

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Post by WHU Independent » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:47 pm

Tenbury wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:35 pm
Yes, been on it about 6-8 months.

Primarily the GP gave it to me to aid sleep (the chief side effect), usually I take something much stronger as an anti depressant. At first, the effect on sleep was remarkable, and as a result I felt unusually really well. In recent weeks they haven't been so effective, but I'm still sleeping far better than I used to.
Hope this helps, feel free to pm me if there's anything I've obviously missed out.
Totally agree with Tenners. I got it as a sleep aid too.Initally it zonked me right out and I got a great nights sleep. You feel good in the morning too as you are well rested.

I haven't taken some for over a week now as I run out and getting a repeat perscription from my Doc is a real ball achce. BUT I've had really bad insomnia again and last night was the worst - no sleep whatsoever. I looked and felt like **** today, as was confirmed by my sister! So I went to the doc and got some Mir today and will take one tonight before I go to bed. If THAT doesn't work I'm on the Tramadol as in conjunction with Mir I definately will sleep.

I've been trying to stay of medication for a week now, but sleeping is a real issue. I lay there thinking "I can have no sleep all night or I can take a little tablet and sleep like a baby. Why not take one? I'd take a pain killer to ease my pain. no?"

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Post by rigoberts song » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 am

That's a really good post Pablo and something I try and do everyday to keep my head together and the demons away .Great advice.

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Post by Robbie » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:03 pm

wolf359 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:26 pm
Well all things must come to an end. After 140 days I return to the world of work tomorrow got 11 days paternity leave cover in a school.

I’m looking forward to it but at the same time as today has gone on I’ve getting increasingly anxious. I doubt I’ll sleep tonight.

What I would say from my recent experience is realising something, work didn’t make me unhappy, I was just unhappy at work. I can say this because over the last 4 months have I haven’t been any happier, in fact at times I’ve felt worse.

It’s also make me think about what I want. If I’m asked I’ll say I want to be left alone, don’t want to get involved in work politics and generally want to ungracefully age, alone in my computer chair. We’ll I’ve done that for 4 months and I still feel generally rubbish. So maybe I don’t want that (or not that all the time), worst case I can be unhappy and earn money rather than be unhappy at home but maybe there is more.

That saying that I have felt quite good lately (last few weeks, being off the beer has unfortunately helped) I’d like to be able to report in two weeks I still do (fingers crossed).
Wolf, I can relate to this in a few ways.
I too have my computer chair in which I sit for most of my life at home. I work full time in a job which I like but I don't earn good money.
I like solitude very much. I wake in the night between 2 and 4 in the morning and its bliss to hear the silence of the world. I have a little read and go back to sleep, but those moments in the quiet hours are glorious.
My work does give me a purpose. That is about all. I like the people I work with but wouldn't want to be social. My circle is very small.
I just want to get through with the minimal fuss and noise.
As I say, my job does give me a reason, a purpose.

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