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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by il_martello_di_genovesi » Mon May 23, 2022 11:33 am

Seen a few posts saying that the ECL ‘only’ gives you a Europa League place. I’m guessing these people don’t realise how hard it is to get a Europa League place in the first place? We got to the SF of that competition this season. Knocked out by an average German team. No one should turn their noses up at European football.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by BondsoBob » Mon May 23, 2022 11:37 am

Absolutely Hammered! wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:49 am
When I was a kid my dad used to get me to hoover the whole house for 20p.
That's what this feels like.
As much as that? You were spoilt! 😂

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by ironilunga » Mon May 23, 2022 11:45 am

kitthehammer wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am
You have to be honest and ask why did we finish 7th whereas Man U, Spurs and Arsenal finished above us?
A combination of better players and fewer games.

Man Utd and Spurs have 3 of the top 4 scorers in the premier league this season. They just have better players in more positions.

I personally think we would have finished ahead of Arsenal if we, like them, didn’t have Europa League.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by The Old Man of Storr » Mon May 23, 2022 12:10 pm

And if we're struggling in the League we can always pretend we've got Covid and get thrown out by default .

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by steveyrockstar » Mon May 23, 2022 12:44 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 10:51 am
If we had not been in the Europa League this year, been mid-table all season and sneaked 7th with a last minute run, i expect we would all have been buzzing for it

However, given we had really realistic hopes of qualifying the Champions League a couple of months ago and and such great coverage and positive publicity from our Europa League run, there is inevitable disappointment about this

Like everything, opinions are guided by context
I don't disagree it's not disappointing to have ended up in the ECL after what could have been and what we come so close to, but looking at the bigger picture, it's a great achievement to qualify for it, and I personally think we should all embrace it and be excited about hopefully have a real crack at European silverware again.

However, in terms of us falling short in the Europa League and the league itself, I can only keep pointing back to that January transfer window and our failure not to strengthen. At least Man Utd can feel vindicated for not giving us Lingard this time!

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by steveyrockstar » Mon May 23, 2022 12:46 pm

il_martello_di_genovesi wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 11:33 am
Seen a few posts saying that the ECL ‘only’ gives you a Europa League place. I’m guessing these people don’t realise how hard it is to get a Europa League place in the first place? We got to the SF of that competition this season. Knocked out by an average German team. No one should turn their noses up at European football.
Absolutely, not only could we win our first major trophy in 43 years, it's another chance to qualify for Europe for the third year running.

It's a great competition for us. But we do need to strengthen significantly in the summer to give it a proper shot in addition to the regular comps.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by hammerman11 » Mon May 23, 2022 12:54 pm

Totally agree . Let's watch moyes work his magic this summer; hopefully!

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by The Straw » Mon May 23, 2022 12:57 pm

Arsenal will probably drop down into this competition.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by hammers92 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:00 pm

The Straw wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 12:57 pm
Arsenal will probably drop down into this competition.
They’d need to finish 3rd in their group. They’ll get to the quarters of the Europa at an absolute minimum imo.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by The Straw » Mon May 23, 2022 1:02 pm

I don't know. They won't get the help they usually receive in this country. They lack discipline, and the extra games will f*** them... they couldn't even really handle only playing about 40 games this season.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by Kermit » Mon May 23, 2022 1:08 pm

kitthehammer wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am

You have to be honest and ask why did we finish 7th whereas Man U, Spurs and Arsenal finished above us?
As far as Man United are concerned we basically blew the opportunity of getting ourselves 2 extra points and reducing their total by 4 in our 2 games against them. There was the missed penalty at the LS and Fredericks aberration in the last moments at Old Trafford. Very costly as it turned out.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by LincolnshireHammer » Mon May 23, 2022 1:10 pm

I can't bloody wait! Shame we have to go through a quali round but that'll be a fun August evening under the lights.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by BobbyMooreLower » Mon May 23, 2022 1:10 pm

The Straw wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 12:57 pm
Arsenal will probably drop down into this competition.
No chance, theyll be top seeds and will have a pi55 easy group

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by hammers92 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:11 pm

Kermit wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 1:08 pm
As far as Man United are concerned we basically blew the opportunity of getting ourselves 2 extra points and reducing their total by 4 in our 2 games against them. There was the missed penalty at the LS and Fredericks aberration in the last moments at Old Trafford. Very costly as it turned out.
Ronaldo was the biggest factor for me. There have been multiple games where’s he’s dragged them kicking and screaming over the line. For example the hat trick to beat Norwich 3-2.

Take him out and they’re probably 14th or something.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by Hammer in Hornchurch » Mon May 23, 2022 1:13 pm

Absolute madness to right the Europa conference off.
We don’t get many opportunities to play in Europe.
Have to remember that only two seasons ago we were flirting near the bottom of the league.
Bring it on

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by Centre Half » Mon May 23, 2022 1:14 pm

At least we get a fun European game in August with a bit of jeopardy!

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by Dieter Eckstein » Mon May 23, 2022 1:29 pm

Our squad this year was probably better equipped to cope with the demands of the Europa Conference than the Europa League. Aside from the dead rubber final group game, we had to field a pretty strong 11 to get through the group before going full strength in the knockouts. Assuming we make it through the qualifier, we'll hopefully be able to rely on second string/younger players a little more and give some important players a rest. You'd hope that Alex Kral could have coped in the conference group stage this year. You don't want to underestimate any tournament, but unless we invest massively in increasing squad quality and depth, the Conference probably suits us in terms of not running out of steam in the league and domestic cups.

Not sure whether I've convinced myself there or not!

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by BobbyMooreLower » Mon May 23, 2022 1:35 pm

I hope they price the group stage games sensibly as I can't see many wanting to rush over to Stratford to watch us play the Macedonian cup winners.

They should be between £10-£25 based on what band you're in. If its higher than that and I can see an attendance of 25/35k

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by e17 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:41 pm

BobbyMooreLower wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 1:35 pm
I hope they price the group stage games sensibly as I can't see many wanting to rush over to Stratford to watch us play the Macedonian cup winners.

They should be between £10-£25 based on what band you're in. If its higher than that and I can see an attendance of 25/35k
They need to make the play off a proper kids for a quid job or the numbers for that will look comical. No doubt they will though.

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Re: Europa Conference League 22-23

Post by mickthekeeper » Mon May 23, 2022 1:44 pm

Colours never run wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:58 am
No one's turning their nose up, it's figuring out if it's to be taken seriously when the demands throughout the season are tough enough as it is with a limited squad. The prize in winning it seemed to be qualifying for the Europa League properly, which in itself sounds like it's undermining it's own veracity. People are saying no I've got it wrong, it's a new prestigious European trophy to win in which case ok, I'll get on board if it's how we are to approach it. I asked reasonable questions about how long it takes to try to win it and that it will drain the energy of the squad but if that's what we want, then ok I'll come round to the idea. It's also not like fans we're questioning it just the same this time last summer either.
But where do you stop? Why not bin the league cup or the FA cup because they detract from the league - which even with a good wind we’ve got little (to no) chance of winning?

Agreed, it’s not as prestigious as the Europa or CL, but it’s a chance to play teams across Europe the quality of which are just as good as the next competition up as teams drop down (I don’t agree with that btw but that’s a discussion for another time).

You can use your same argument to question the Europa league as to win means qualification for the CL.

The argument about squad depth or the impact of Europe on a small squad is valid, but that’s shouldn’t exclude us from wanting to play in these competitions - that’s a problem that the owners and to an extent Moyes have left us with and hopefully the lessons from this seasons paper thin squad will be addressed.

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