The Summer Transfer Thread 2022.

[Morocco Mole]

Lingard wants 100k a week and two million each year as a annual signing on fee/bonus hmmmm

So 6 million signing on fee and 100 bags a week?

Dare I say that sounds ‘cheap’?

[funky chicken]

West Ham United remain interested in Watford striker Emmanuel Dennis, but are assessing their options before committing to any offers.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport ... l-dennis/

[Aceface]

Saints fans seem particularly unbothered about whether Broja returns next season. I knew he tailed off but when you can’t even impress that bunch competing against the rest of their dreary attackers…

[westlondonhammer]

I work with a Brighton STH and the understanding down there is he won't be charged and the police are just keeping up appearances as the other guy was charged.

If that's the case... because he is innocent... than I'd be very happy with him. He's a fantastic player and would add make us a lot more solid.

We can't feasibly get him and Ward-Prowse though... can we? Can we? Only if someone goes...

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

West Ham United remain interested in Watford striker Emmanuel Dennis, but are assessing their options before committing to any offers.

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport ... l-dennis/

Where does this register on the Dither-O-Meter?

[EvilC]

Saints fans seem particularly unbothered about whether Broja returns next season. I knew he tailed off but when you can’t even impress that bunch competing against the rest of their dreary attackers…

It’s a smokescreen, we’re going to reveal a Shane Long mega-deal.

[BigFatSam]

Saints fans seem particularly unbothered about whether Broja returns next season. I knew he tailed off but when you can’t even impress that bunch competing against the rest of their dreary attackers…

But they are absolutely desperate to keep hold of JWP, not bad for a free kick merchant

[HammerPDC]

Does anyone know who has the option? Us or him??

[Mayday]

I don't think Broja is all that to be honest. He had a couple of moments but he's nowhere near good enough to make much of a difference to us.

[westlondonhammer]

Given his age and spells of him at his best (i.e. against us) I believe Broja could be immense under the right management...

He has a bit of Arnie about him...

[Burnley Hammer]

I don't think Broja is all that to be honest. He had a couple of moments but he's nowhere near good enough to make much of a difference to us.

I agree. I think we should be judging him on his performances across the whole season and not just against us. I'm seeing him as a player that doesn't get overly involved in games and creates little for those around him. I think he still has quite a bit of developing to do. If he was a good price then by all means, take a chance and develop him - but for the prices I've seen I'd be wanting the finished article.

[Burnley Hammer]

That 2 key passes per game includes set pieces mate.

From open play:

JWP - 0.67
Pablo - 1.06

Does it matter? Did we care when many of Payet's key passes came from set pieces? A chance created is a chance created.

I know people have suggested we play him in attacking midfield but I really don't think he'd play there. Positionally, he's a plain central midfielder and so I don't think the comparison with more attacking creative players are particularly fair. Let me say though - I've given Lanzini plenty of stick recently for not being creative enough. If he suddenly started creating chances from free-kicks in the same way Ward-Prowse does, I'd have absolutely no issues with him at all. Chances are chances.

[bubbles1966]

Broja was extremely good for Southampton up to late Feb/early March. As a club they downed tools once they beat us in the Cup.

Lingard, Broja and KLP added to Antonio, Bowen, Fornals, Lanzini and Benrahma looks to be a very nice blend of youth and experience, pace and power with a bit of guile and trickery thrown in, imho.

Should leave a good £60m plus proceeds of sales to sort out the back 7 too.

[DublinDave]

Does anyone know who has the option? Us or him??

Us... We've been writing this clause into most of our contracts for the last few years...

[BigFatSam]

Does it matter? Did we care when many of Payet's key passes came from set pieces? A chance created is a chance created.

People seem to be acting like set piece chances are worth less than open play chances. They’re absolutely equal, a chance is a chance and a goal is a goal. It doesn’t matter if that’s from a freekick, or a through ball.

[EvilC]

Does it matter? Did we care when many of Payet's key passes came from set pieces? A chance created is a chance created.

Yes, it matters. If your next best option to JWP is doing marginally less well from set pieces then you aren’t getting much of an upgrade. I’m not saying that is the case but am saying why the two are different. It is like signing a forward that scored 15 goals including seven penalties the season before. If your current penalty taker would have scored six of those penalties you aren’t getting what the 15 goals might suggest.

[Mayday]

I agree. I think we should be judging him on his performances across the whole season and not just against us. I'm seeing him as a player that doesn't get overly involved in games and creates little for those around him. I think he still has quite a bit of developing to do. If he was a good price then by all means, take a chance and develop him - but for the prices I've seen I'd be wanting the finished article.

Exactly that. He's worth a punt for development at a low price but I'd want someone else brought in who's more 'established'.

Castellanos is worth a punt at the price rumoured.

Scamacca is worth a punt at a reasonable price. - he looks like he could develop into an incredible player and the closest I've seen to a Zlatan 2.0.

I'd love us to go for that Joel Piroe at Swansea, that is a proper player there with a similar skillset to Antonio but with excellent technical ability and finishing.

I'm not sure about Dennis. Has some good qualities but I know his attitude and application were questionable before he joined Watford - they in fact took a punt on him.

Which brings us onto Watkins - I know there are some detractors on here but he would be incredible for us. There's a Reason why Gerrard is fighting to keep him and its because of his industry and the numerous openings he creates for other players plus the ability to score a good amount of goals each season. Bowen and Lingard would have a field day feeding off of him.

[Morocco Mole]

Does it matter? Did we care when many of Payet's key passes came from set pieces? A chance created is a chance created.

I think matters in so far as it’s an added variable. ie you have to win a free kick before you can take one. Having open play stats separate allows you to assess how the player operates…..in open play basically.

In a nutshell if it came down to between Fornals and Ward-Prowsd for one spot do you like the extra flair and creativity of Pablo or do you prefer a lesser footballer that’s better at free kicks (that first have to be won). I’m very much in the first camp - plus we already own Pablo,

I take your point though…

EDIT: Evil C’s rationale was better.

[funky chicken]

Eddie Nketiah will stay at Arsenal, as reported by
@SamiMokbel81_DM and @David_Ornstein.
The decision has been made - nothing signed yet.

Nketiah will pen a new long term deal - Eddie has decided to turn down Bundesliga and PL club proposals to stay at Arsenal.

https://mobile.twitter.com/fabrizioroma ... o6YgSQsVw

[Burnley Hammer]

Yes, it matters. If your next best option to JWP is doing marginally less well from set pieces then you aren’t getting much of an upgrade. I’m not saying that is the case but am saying why the two are different. It is like signing a forward that scored 15 goals including seven penalties the season before. If your current penalty taker would have scored six of those penalties you aren’t getting what the 15 goals might suggest.

For reference, Bowen has made 0 assists, 0 goals, and 1 key pass from his free kicks this season. I think it would be more than a marginal upgrade. And let's not ignore the fact that, even without the set-pieces, Ward-Prowse is a very good player. But he's a box to box player and not a creative attacking midfielder, and his output from open play is more comparable to Rice, Soucek, and - a few years back - Noble. He shouldn't be compared directly to players in an attacking 3 whose sole purpose it is to score and create.