I get the criticism of Villa’s spending strategy - it seems pretty wreckless. But we shouldn’t be lured into a false sense of security that it will all go wrong and players will do badly because they did in the past. Obviously hope they do f*** up spectacularly but we do need to take the potential challenge from teams like Villa very seriously and this window is critical to invest sufficiently and wisely to protect our position as ‘best of the rest’ let alone pushing on.
You know. I like Aguerd and every time I've seen him I've been impressed. But I can't shake the feeling, watching the YouTube videos people have posted here, that he excels in the exact same way that Diop did when in France.
NWhammer wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:34 pm
Where’s the massage head gif.
I don’t know how you go from supposedly bidding 50m for Nunez to wanting to sign a striker to play second fiddle to Antonio.
It should be a Calvert-Lewin/Watkins type who comes in as a starter and is pushed by Antonio.
Ridiculous if true.
And can you imagine the result of an "Antonio's attempt" ALA Bowen's first goal against Man City? There's no way ANY natural striker is gonna play 2nd fiddle to Antonio and the sooner Moyes wakes up to this, the better!
HammerMan2004 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:42 pm
Did Diop excel in France?
He was made club captain and played over 80 times but they were a relegation threatened team for most of his time there so excelled would be putting it strongly I think
*dicanio* wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:47 pm
He was made club captain and played over 80 times but they were a relegation threatened team for most of his time there so excelled would be putting it strongly I think
HammerMan2004 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:42 pm
Did Diop excel in France?
I wouldn't say he excelled, more that he showed great potential. Aguerd has been playing to a consistent level for 4 seasons now, in a small club and in one of the clubs fighting for Europe every season. I am more confident about him than I have ever been about Diop.
Diop was a good prospect who was forced to grow up fast and play well in a bad team.
Aguerd is far better than Diop in nearly every aspect. Though together, playing a high line system, they might actually be a very good pairing. With better LB that is.
So if we get an injury to Zouma for example, we might find ourselves in a decent, but 2nd choice, cb pair.
Misko wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:56 pm
I wouldn't say he excelled, more that he showed great potential. Aguerd has been playing to a consistent level for 4 seasons now, in a small club and in one of the clubs fighting for Europe every season. I am more confident about him than I have ever been about Diop.
100%. I should’ve quoted YorksHammer when I asked that as I was directly replying to his post!
hammer1975 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:35 pm
I get the criticism of Villa’s spending strategy - it seems pretty wreckless. But we shouldn’t be lured into a false sense of security that it will all go wrong and players will do badly because they did in the past. Obviously hope they do **** up spectacularly but we do need to take the potential challenge from teams like Villa very seriously and this window is critical to invest sufficiently and wisely to protect our position as ‘best of the rest’ let alone pushing on.
Agreed, a certain hope and fear even wishful thinking over any certain reality from some in light of ( by comparison) our own presumed likely conservatism in transfer dealings… at least based on recent history. Hey it may not work out as some understandably fear at our end, we can hope I guess that the owners may surprise us, but either way presuming it will all go wrong at Aston Villa as and when they soak up players we are supposedly interested in or were reportedly or previously interested in and spend the cash doing so is probably somewhat optimistic at this point. Time will tell if their spending is unrealistic or on the sort of players that did for us and others in the past, jury is out at the moment.
HammerMan2004 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:42 pm
Did Diop excel in France?
Yes? He basically was performing at a similar level to Aguerd, maybe a bit below particularly in his passing, but on a much worse side (which hurts passing numbers a lot), and he was 5 years younger.
Diop was a 20 year old who was playing well in Ligue 1, he was a top top prospect. He had a good 1st year here, then we changed managers and styles to play a way that was close to the opposite of what he plays well.
Aguerd doesn't seem like a natural fit for what Moyes wants either.
Ironing Board wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 8:09 pm
Aguerd has Champions League experience and is a starter for his national side.
I mean, yes because he is from Morrocco, if he was French he'd never have even sniffed a youth side. It's a lot easier to play for your national side if you are from a country where the competition mostly plays in 2nd and 3rd tier leagues
Cellar-door wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 8:14 pm
I mean, yes because he is from Morrocco, if he was French he'd never have even sniffed a youth side. It's a lot easier to play for your national side if you are from a country where the competition mostly plays in 2nd and 3rd tier leagues
Doesn’t matter. Morocco is one of the top teams on Africa.
*dicanio* wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:47 pm
He was made club captain and played over 80 times but they were a relegation threatened team for most of his time there so excelled would be putting it strongly I think
Yes fact is he had been highly rated in France but in reality he had begun to falter in terms of progress which not for the first time allowed our owners to boast about obtaining one of the great European talents coming our way. Truth is that he needed a new challenge to try to restore those previous expectations. Like the others we bought or loaned of a similar career hue it hasn’t really worked, even if for some at least, hope remained/remains eternal based on that original hype and the occasional flash of what caught they eye when he was very young in our colours.
