That doesn't always work out though.
MPs pay has risen 27% since 2010. On the same scale a band 1 nurse is due a £1500 pay cut under your system as they have had a 38% increase in the same period.
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That doesn't always work out though.
CT was 52% through the 70s. CTT was a higher collection of taxes than IHT.the pink palermo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:20 pm Who pays ?
How about big business.
When Fatch was in power CT was 46%, it's now less than half that.
How about the dead ?
Reduce the IHT threshold to £100,000
How about an online sales tax , say 2.5% ?
That's the thing tho it would. If the pay rises were constant there would be no need to catch up with the big rises and wages wouldnt be so high in one professon comparedSammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:30 pm That doesn't always work out though.
MPs pay has risen 27% since 2010. On the same scale a band 1 nurse is due a £1500 pay cut under your system as they have had a 38% increase in the same period.
If they had all had the same rises since 2010 the nurse would have £1500 a year less to face the current problems.mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:20 pm That's the thing tho it would. If the pay rises were constant there would be no need to catch up with the big rises and wages wouldnt be so high in one professon compared
If say since 2005 they had all had RPI every year or 0% if RPI was negative then wages in real terms would be where they were and the Cost of living wouldn't have got so far away from everyone
That's a far too simplistic view .. if EVERYONE had RPI then they would keep up with the cost of living.SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:39 pm If they had all had the same rises since 2010 the nurse would have £1500 a year less to face the current problems.
They are taking about striking as it is. If they'd had had the same rises as the MPs they would be picketing by now.
So we have already shifted from tied to MPs to tied to RPI. What would MPs be on if they had followed RPI 100k+?mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:19 pm That's a far too simplistic view .. if EVERYONE had RPI then they would keep up with the cost of living.
RPI is 10% or higher ATM they would have a 10% rise this year..
Whilst they may have £1500 less in theory if you follow the RPI throughout the years they would be better off
Wouldn't just be one example either. Teachers, firefighters,, police officers
Plus it would have held back others who have had inflated payrises and got ahead
I know our wages are linked to RPI so we get RPI plus i think 0.1% past few years which until this year has been about 2%. There is more than one way to control inflation its just an excuse by those in power to keep wages of the working class suppressed.. I mean the majority of those not getting a rise there are people taking much higher rises.. for example the MPs took there rise.. the head of birmingham airport was it? took a huge increase whilst no rise for the workers there.. its become unbalanced (yes talking about private in that case but still it can be controlled in other ways)SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:29 am So we have already shifted from tied to MPs to tied to RPI. What would MPs be on if they had followed RPI 100k+?
Rising wages automatically by inflation could well trigger a wage spiral, plus who would pay for it? 10% for the NHS this year would be 6bn out of their budget. Plus higher pension contributions etc. Then teachers, firefighters, police officers etc. What are you cutting to pay it?
Who are these higher wage earners getting ahead, aren't pay deals equitable across a public service sector? If it's different aren't the unions of these higher earners going to say no?
MPs got 3% this year. Various unions are talking about double figure, tfl got 8.4%. You don't think anyone would be complaining at 3%mumbles87 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:10 pm If the system going forward was to link to whatever MPs are awarded all public sectors get that I doubt you would see many complaints.
paying for it.. well increase in wages increases tax revenue for one and rather than cutting you could just increase public spending and cut down inefficiency rather than try and cut services.
the tfl model is all profits from fares (which after boris left didnt even mean the 500 mil grant from gov each year) went into the network for improvements
if everyone since say 2000 got the same as MPs same % each and every time there would be no complaints.. because everyone would be in the same boat. yes you may be behind inflation this year but other years they would be ahead. Plus because you would see those at the top taking 3% it would set an example to follow.SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:55 pm MPs got 3% this year. Various unions are talking about double figure, tfl got 8.4%. You don't think anyone would be complaining at 3%
You want to raise wages to raise the tax to pay for the wage rise?
I'm gonna need to see some sauce on this SLWO as you keep claiming nurses are better off, whilst we all remember year on year on year of austerity and public sector wage freezes (it was all because they had bumper pensions, remember that?)SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:39 pm If they had all had the same rises since 2010 the nurse would have £1500 a year less to face the current problems.
They are taking about striking as it is. If they'd had had the same rises as the MPs they would be picketing by now.
I haven't said they are better off but that in some cases have had greater pay increases since 2010. So tying their raise to the MPs over that time they would be worse off
It entirely missed the point of linked pay rises thoughSammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:35 pm I haven't said they are better off but that in some cases have had greater pay increases since 2010. So tying their raise to the MPs over that time they would be worse off
I took the numbers for band a nurses starting out and MPs salaries (it applies for other band nurses too). The figures are out there I got them from nursing union and parliamentary figures. MPs have had 28% and the nurse 38%.
If the nurses pay had gone up 28% over that period (linked to MPs) they would be £1500 worse off.
Not all TfL staff got 8.4%. I got 0% again.SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:55 pm MPs got 3% this year. Various unions are talking about double figure, tfl got 8.4%. You don't think anyone would be complaining at 3%
You want to raise wages to raise the tax to pay for the wage rise?
You are fully correct, only Lul staff get the pay deals like above. I'm avoiding tfl contracts like the plague (no offence)
That's all true but inflation would have still gone up the same. Prices would have gone up and the nurses would have £1500 less than they have today to deal with it.mumbles87 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:11 pm It entirely missed the point of linked pay rises though
Everybody gets the same regardless
There would be less unrest and no oh MPs getting 3% whilst our brave nurses got nothing
Everyone would always get the same .. nobody would have known any different so wouldn't be chasing that mythical £1500
Fair enough I didn't know, I was going on mumbles number. Didn't realise tfl wasnt one thing.
There lies the issue with a lot of the government.. lul is a company within tfl .. and the gov have no say on our payrises or pensions. The pension is a private scheme, which is run by trustees and 660 million in surplus as of last week .. where as the wages they can't control what pay deals we are givenSammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:47 pm Fair enough I didn't know, I was going on mumbles number. Didn't realise tfl wasnt one thing.
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A Conservative MP has asked Grant Shapps whether Transport for London (TfL) should be put into a form of "special measures", after criticising Sadiq Khan for overseeing more tube strikes than his predecessor.
The Metropolitan Police, the UK's largest police force, has recently been placed under special measures after a series of failures.
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Speaking during Transport Questions in the Commons, the MP for Cities of London and Westminster suggested TfL should also be placed under the same status, blaming the Mayor of London for tube strikes and wanting to slash buses.
Nicki Aicken was not the only London MP to criticise Mr Khan in the Commons, though, with Felicity Buchan, who represents the Kensington constituency, later accusing him of "failing" her constituents.
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I still have no idea where you've got 38% from.SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:35 pm I took the numbers for band a nurses starting out and MPs salaries (it applies for other band nurses too). The figures are out there I got them from nursing union and parliamentary figures. MPs have had 28% and the nurse 38%.
If the nurses pay had gone up 28% over that period (linked to MPs) they would be £1500 worse off.
Band a nurse salary 2010 -. £13,653sendô wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:16 pm I still have no idea where you've got 38% from.
A quick search shows me this from 2021 where nurses pay is real terms £2500 less than in 2010.
https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/nurses-will ... terms-2010
Public sector workers had years of pay freezes and below inflation pay increases. I only ever remember MPs having a pay freeze once, right at the start of austerity.