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Crouchend_Hammer wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:12 pm What will be interesting 10, 20, 30 years down the line is to compare groups of people who have had zero Covid vaccinations (like my wife) vs 2 jabs (like me) vs 4 jabs vs 8 (or whatever number it gets to)

It will be interesting to see if there ended up being any difference in how many times they caught Covid and how serious it ended up being if they did, based on the number of jabs they had

In addition, did number of COvid jabs have any impact on other health related (physical or mental) issues people suffered from
or what the side effects are.....that's a concern I have. keep sticking jab upon jab upon jab into me, which never went through the clinical trials that others are subject to ?

and Biden and his group as was the queen, kept in a pretty tight bubble.

didn't stop them from getting it. and Biden's wife. and then both got it again "on the rebound."

I had my two. I don't want to keep putting more and more into my body.

if that offends anyone, I'm sorry I haven't said that you shouldn't. I haven't said one word against it. my choice. and my choice is not to keep pumping more and more jabs into my body.
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I've not bothered with any boosters. I had the original double jab as it was a requirement for me to go on holiday. I've had it 3 times so far - once before the jabs (Christmas 2020) and twice after. The first time I had a bad headache for a day or two, second time it was just the symptoms of a common cold with a couple of days of brainfog afterwards, third time was pretty much symptomless. The only symptom that was common to all three infections was the weird phantom smell (like old ashtrays). I'm more than happy to take my chances with the natural immunity developed from this. I've no doubt been exposed to it since the last official infection - now schools are running, we're back to the normal business of the kids bringing back a cold on a regular basis. Testing isn't done anywhere near as regularly as it used to so there's every chance that people are frequently catching covid and just writing it off as a cold. To be honest, we don't really give it much thought anymore. I have my own health regime which I believe in and am happy with.
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Someone in my office - who I was in the pub with Friday night - has apparently tested positive. I didn't know people were still testing tbh.

Anyway, I've got an absolute thunder b*stard of a sore throat today.
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Cuenca 'ammer wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:07 pm or what the side effects are.....that's a concern I have. keep sticking jab upon jab upon jab into me, which never went through the clinical trials that others are subject to ?

and Biden and his group as was the queen, kept in a pretty tight bubble.

didn't stop them from getting it. and Biden's wife. and then both got it again "on the rebound."

I had my two. I don't want to keep putting more and more into my body.

if that offends anyone, I'm sorry I haven't said that you shouldn't. I haven't said one word against it. my choice. and my choice is not to keep pumping more and more jabs into my body.
Nobody is offended. Personally I just think your position on it is wrong. You seem happy to put COVID in your body, but not the vaccine.

Your choices can have consequences for others.
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I'm double jabbed and had the first booster. Caught covid twice now. Almost everyone I know who hasn't had any jabs hasn't caught covid either...in fact, there's only 1 of my non jabbed friends who has had it...and they said it was just like a cold. First time I caught it was a fortnight after my second jab...wiped me out. Second time was a few months ago...just felt like a cold.

If the jabs only last six months before wearing off, then the second time I caught it all the jabs had definitely gone from my system...yet it affected me less than when both jabs were active in my system.

I've been offered my fourth booster, but it's a no from me.
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EvilC wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:00 am Nobody is offended. Personally I just think your position on it is wrong. You seem happy to put COVID in your body, but not the vaccine.

Your choices can have consequences for others.
how do I know that 6 years down the road, the side effects from the vaccine are not going to be as bad or worse than the mild effects of the omnicron ?

our health people here tell us that our cases are virtually non existent at the moment.

having all of the boosters and living in a virtual bubble hasn't prevented Biden, his wife or the Queen when she was alive, from getting the virus so it doesn't seem to me that they helped much at all.

that will be my last words on the matter.
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Cuenca 'ammer wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:25 pm how do I know that 6 years down the road, the side effects from the vaccine are not going to be as bad or worse than the mild effects of the omnicron ?

our health people here tell us that our cases are virtually non existent at the moment.

having all of the boosters and living in a virtual bubble hasn't prevented Biden, his wife or the Queen when she was alive, from getting the virus so it doesn't seem to me that they helped much at all.

that will be my last words on the matter.
You don’t. But then you don’t know a lot of things, you don’t know that the next plane you fly on isn’t going to drop out of the sky, you trust the engineers and processes, in the same way I trust doctors and science with the vaccine. Why is it that you perceive COVID as mild, despite the increases in cardiovascular diseases that have occurred?

I don’t know where you live, but you will inevitably get waves of the stuff, unless you are an isolated tribe in the Amazon, because it is highly transmissible.

Obviously you can look at a single case and go “what about x?”. Or you can look at the general impact of vaccines, which tend to make the impact of COVID more mild, and think about that. Vaccines are a cheap way of keeping the population healthier.
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The vaccines clearly show a benefit to those who are higher risk of more serious effects of Covid.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I've chosen not to get the vaccine mostly because I am at one of the lowest risks of the more dangerous symptoms of Covid (I've had it at least twice, one must have been Omicron, and both times was fine other than some mild sun burn sensation on my man boobs). I'm also at one of the higher risk groups of getting one of the more serious side effects of the vaccine, so for me personally the risk assessment was to wait a while longer.

If I was over the age of 50, I'd be taking my chances with the vaccine regardless as the evidence clearly shows a lower risk of side effects and the greatest benefit of having it.

The choice is really down to each own's personal circumstances, so anyone saying everyone should have it and anyone saying no-one should have it are fundamentally wrong IMO.
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Who is saying everyone should have it?

My main points are:
1) holding the two positions of " COVID is mild, therefore everything is fine" and also "vaccines not tested, what about in ten years" has a position that is indefensible IMO. Why are they not bothered about potential consequences of a novel virus in ten years time?
2) it might be personal choice, but those not getting vaccinated without a good medical reason are clearly happy to **** the potential consequences of not doing so onto a socialised health service that everyone pays for, unless they are saying that if the heart attack arrives they'll just sit around at home and tough it out, and even if they do say that, we all know it isn't true.
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EvilC wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:03 pm Who is saying everyone should have it?

My main points are:
1) holding the two positions of " COVID is mild, therefore everything is fine" and also "vaccines not tested, what about in ten years" has a position that is indefensible IMO. Why are they not bothered about potential consequences of a novel virus in ten years time?
2) it might be personal choice, but those not getting vaccinated without a good medical reason are clearly happy to **** the potential consequences of not doing so onto a socialised health service that everyone pays for, unless they are saying that if the heart attack arrives they'll just sit around at home and tough it out, and even if they do say that, we all know it isn't true.
No, I agree, and not saying you in particular are saying everyone should have it, just the rhetoric from those that do believe that.

If I hadn't had Covid already, I'd have had it when the vaccines were available for my age group as that shifts the risk assessment in favour of having it.

If there are people who are deemed higher risk, or are more likely to need hospitalisation due to Covid (fat b*stards, diabetics, other known existing conditions etc.), then I agree that it would take a lot of medical rationale to not have the vaccine and if not justified shows a clear irresponsibility to the rest of society.
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Have jab number 4 scheduled for Tuesday.

I was wiped out by the first jab. Tired for a few days from the 2nd & ok from the 3rd.

I'm in close contact in a shop with hundreds of people every day & don't get sick pay* so any protection I can get - with less mask wearing - is good.

I am not worried about the vaccine side effects as I did hundreds of dodgy E's, loads of mixed up coke & drunk myself into oblivion on a thousand and one occasions so worrying about this would be a bit daft in my case.


* - I get a combined sick & holiday pay & like taking holidays. I probably get better benefits than most in America but less than half of the average Western European.
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I have lost my sense of smell and taste, not due to Covid, but due to my head/ brain injury
How have other people coped with this, as I am finding it very very depressing?
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I’ve had both jabs plus a booster. Are we expected to have a fourth? I’ve missed this whilst rocked up in hospital.
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btajim - mcfc wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:45 pm I’ve had both jabs plus a booster. Are we expected to have a fourth? I’ve missed this whilst rocked up in hospital.
They are rolling it out to the vulnerable (my wife got messaged about it the other week).
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I got messaged too, weirdly.

But couldn't book.
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I got messaged for the next round also.

Despite me already explaining the reason they have me on the vulnerable list is because after a checkup a couple of years ago the nurse put my height in wrong - which put my BMI at something like 300. :crossed:
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Jonah wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:08 pm I got messaged for the next round also.

Despite me already explaining the reason they have me on the vulnerable list is because after a checkup a couple of years ago the nurse put my height in wrong - which put my BMI at something like 300. :crossed:
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I’ll wait for the invitation. Whilst I am vulnerable, it’s a different type of vulnerability…

I’ve had to block people on Facebook for sharing fake news about the vaccine killing millions or causing autism. People actually believe this.
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btajim - mcfc wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:19 pm I’ll wait for the invitation. Whilst I am vulnerable, it’s a different type of vulnerability…

I’ve had to block people on Facebook for sharing fake news about the vaccine killing millions or causing autism. People actually believe this.
Have it/don’t have it, I don’t really care whatever choice you make.

Send a link to an article quoting Wikipedia or whatever other unverified nonsense and I’m done.
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