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sendô wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:17 am It's funny, when oil prices drop we don't see a sudden, corresponding drop in the price of petrol, yet when oil prices are expected to rise, suddenly we've got the self fulfilling prophecy being laid out in the press.
You haven’t seen petrol prices drop from over 190p to 160p ish?
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EvilC wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:27 am You haven’t seen petrol prices drop from over 190p to 160p ish?
I saw them rise from 130p ish first. Do you think 160p is cheap all of a sudden?
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sendô wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:57 am I saw them rise from 130p ish first. Do you think 160p is cheap all of a sudden?
in the current market yes because the pound is very weak against the dollar so it probably is the equivalent of 1.30
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sendô wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:57 am I saw them rise from 130p ish first. Do you think 160p is cheap all of a sudden?
I think it is cheaper than £1.90.

It's almost like prices are down, your currency is weak and refining margins are higher. Russian supplies have been cut, so without some big changes, you aren't going to get to £1.30, that isn't because you are being ripped off, it's because the world has changed.
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Based on https://www.confused.com/petrol-prices the most expensive (petrol) price in the UK at the moment is 194.9p, the lowest 148.9p, and the average 162.9p.

I have a weird situation as I live equidistant from two garages - a Jet and an Esso. They are in direct competition with each other, so when one has brought their prices down over the past couple of months the other has followed suit within a day or two. They currently are 155.9p (Jet) and 156.9p (Esso), so basically there's about 40p difference to fill up at one than the other.

Weirdly, not five minutes drive away is another petrol station that's a Tesco one. They have never matched these two garages and always been higher, and as recently as last week were at 163.9p. I think they're now at 158.9p, so coming into line, but I was surprised to see that a supermarket petrol station wasn't cheapest.
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EvilC wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:09 pm margins are higher.
Oh I don't doubt that.

EvilC wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:09 pmyou are being ripped off
I don't doubt that either. :wink:
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More reason to get behind energy use reduction; you'd think the government would be going great guns on this, but too busy dismantling the nanny state...

This is worst case scenario stuff:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63155827
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MB wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:41 pm More reason to get behind energy use reduction; you'd think the government would be going great guns on this, but too busy dismantling the nanny state...

This is worst case scenario stuff:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63155827
Right so when I ordered my system I thought oh if I'm doing it get the one that can island the house just incase those annoying now and again power cuts. Might aswell

I didn't expect them to become a reality!

Crying out loud. World's mental these days
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‘Worst case scenario’, with these c**** in charge that means it’s definitely going to happen, doesn’t it?

Anyone else thinking of investing in a generator?
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Arnold Layne wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:46 pm ‘Worst case scenario’, with these ***** in charge that means it’s definitely going to happen, doesn’t it?

Anyone else thinking of investing in a generator?
It is really hard not to think that way! The Norway gas deal starts to make more sense.
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YorksHammer wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:55 pm Based on https://www.confused.com/petrol-prices the most expensive (petrol) price in the UK at the moment is 194.9p, the lowest 148.9p, and the average 162.9p.

I have a weird situation as I live equidistant from two garages - a Jet and an Esso. They are in direct competition with each other, so when one has brought their prices down over the past couple of months the other has followed suit within a day or two. They currently are 155.9p (Jet) and 156.9p (Esso), so basically there's about 40p difference to fill up at one than the other.

Weirdly, not five minutes drive away is another petrol station that's a Tesco one. They have never matched these two garages and always been higher, and as recently as last week were at 163.9p. I think they're now at 158.9p, so coming into line, but I was surprised to see that a supermarket petrol station wasn't cheapest.
Same here, I've never seen that before.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/9390 ... not-enough
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Arnold Layne wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:46 pm ‘Worst case scenario’, with these ***** in charge that means it’s definitely going to happen, doesn’t it?

Anyone else thinking of investing in a generator?
Could just burn all the bull**** they will produce over the next few weeks. That will get some turbines spinning!
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YorksHammer wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:55 pm Weirdly, not five minutes drive away is another petrol station that's a Tesco one. They have never matched these two garages and always been higher, and as recently as last week were at 163.9p. I think they're now at 158.9p, so coming into line, but I was surprised to see that a supermarket petrol station wasn't cheapest.
Don’t Esso supply Tesco? Makes it even weirder.
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MB wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:41 pm More reason to get behind energy use reduction; you'd think the government would be going great guns on this, but too busy dismantling the nanny state...

This is worst case scenario stuff:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63155827
Turns out then ‘green crap’ they ditched wouldn’t have been crap after all.

Not that most of us need encouragement to do this, but that they are not organising advertising/ information campaigns to educate/ influence those who do still need to be nudged along in cutting their usage is almost inexplicable.

Almost.

Of course it does makes sense to not encourage people to cut usage if that incurred usage helps companies you suck up to and protect, to maximise their profits. Short termism of course but that’s the norm isn’t it?
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Breaking: your government are clowns.

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EvilC wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:55 am Breaking: your government are clowns.

I dont know whats more worrying.

That number 10 thought this was a good idea to cancel or that JRM was actually on the side of the campaign

if JRM is getting something right and you are not then alarm bells ring.
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Does Truss not want to be known as the PM who told us to switch off our lights or something?

Perhaps she enjoys working by candlelight.
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mumbles87 wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:43 am if JRM is getting something right and you are not then alarm bells ring.
Yep, same with the Nadine Dorries stuff yesterday. These two stopped clocks had to get something right, some time.
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Power cuts due to insufficient supply will be disastrous both politically and more importantly, practically. This isn't the 1970's where all we had running was some lights, a TV and a Goblin Teasmade.........
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delbert wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:44 am Power cuts due to insufficient supply will be disastrous both politically and more importantly, practically. This isn't the 1970's where all we had running was some lights, a TV and a Goblin Teasmade.........
even more reason public service announcements to advise people to use less if they can and load shift are vital.
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