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Bend it like Repka wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:36 pm My daughter is currently doing a levels with the aim of studying medicine at uni. The ultimate target is getting to Oxford although of course other unis will be options. Having had talks with the 6th form tutors one thing we are learning is how much competition there is for places, and getting onto these courses is not easy.

Which begs the question when we have shortages and are importing doctors at a high cost from overseas, why the **** are there barriers in place in the education system here? Is Brexit the problem when we can't seem to fix an obvious problem by recruiting internally from a plentiful resource pool?

There are a couple of things here - one is that the application process for medicine is a really exhaustive one, as the goal is to weed out any who don't make it. It's an expensive programme to teach, therefore they want to make absolutely sure that they are getting the right students, and not those who are going to drop out in a year or so. Then there is the fact that studying medicine in the UK is seen as something of a holy grail. at my school, lots of students want to do medicine, but only the best of the best get in - those that don't will offer go and study in Nicosia, Malta, the Middle East or alternatively, they may choose to take a subject like Biomedical sciences and then do a post graduate in Medicine and go into the prefession that way. I get what your saying, but the fact that there is so much competition for UK places is actually a good thing, and is what ensures that students who study medicine a) go on to complete the course and b) are absolutely up to the task.

There is another interesting point around this though, and it's one that UK students are far less likely to go to international universities that other students. Even though many courses all over Europe are all taught in English now they still don't. I work with a company called 'The Medic Portal', which is a company designed to help students get onto medicine programmes - and the owner was telling me that most Medical students around the world will apply to 3 or 4 different countries. Most British students will only apply to the UK. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that not enough of our potential doctors turn into actual doctors?
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Bend it like Repka wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:36 pm Which begs the question when we have shortages and are importing doctors at a high cost from overseas, why the **** are there barriers in place in the education system here? Is Brexit the problem when we can't seem to fix an obvious problem by recruiting internally from a plentiful resource pool?
It's got to be down to capacity surely. It must be quite expensive to add extra capacity for such an intense subject. It's not just lecture hall room but practical stuff, lab time etc I imagine. That said they bumped things up through the covid grade inflation thing so something must be possible.

Long term I agree with you. But long term planning and govts don't seem to mix.

Good luck to your daughter. It's quite the task she has set for herself, hope it all works out for her.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:25 pm It's got to be down to capacity surely. It must be quite expensive to add extra capacity for such an intense subject. It's not just lecture hall room but practical stuff, lab time etc I imagine. That said they bumped things up through the covid grade inflation thing so something must be possible.

Long term I agree with you. But long term planning and govts don't seem to mix.

Good luck to your daughter. It's quite the task she has set for herself, hope it all works out for her.
As well as capacity - UK Universities are only allowed to each take a maximum number of UK students. For every one they go over they will be fined. Hence the drive for international students.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:45 pm Where are they having difficulty protesting? Which protest has been stopped or hampered or made even slightly trickier since these laws came in?
https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/a ... st-rights/

> can't cause disruption
> can't be noisy
> can't be near parliament
> restrictions on static demos
> restrictions on one person protesting
> no longer need to receive a direct order from a police officer to be able to breach protest conditions (i.e you've got to know all the laws before you protest).

There is also now powers for ministers to designate other "controlled areas" and ban protest there if they so choose.

Prison terms for breaching protest terms up from 3 months to a year.
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sendô wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:41 pm https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/a ... st-rights/

> can't cause disruption
> can't be noisy
> can't be near parliament
> restrictions on static demos
> restrictions on one person protesting
> no longer need to receive a direct order from a police officer to be able to breach protest conditions (i.e you've got to know all the laws before you protest).

There is also now powers for ministers to designate other "controlled areas" and ban protest there if they so choose.

Prison terms for breaching protest terms up from 3 months to a year.
Worse than that, they're considering tagging people without any trial, purely on the whim of the police. We have the most draconian surveillance in any democracy in the world which I find alarming to say the least.
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sendô wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:41 pm https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/a ... st-rights/

> can't cause disruption
> can't be noisy
> can't be near parliament
> restrictions on static demos
> restrictions on one person protesting
> no longer need to receive a direct order from a police officer to be able to breach protest conditions (i.e you've got to know all the laws before you protest).

There is also now powers for ministers to designate other "controlled areas" and ban protest there if they so choose.

Prison terms for breaching protest terms up from 3 months to a year.
Would you say the M25 blocks caused disruption?
Would you say the people shouting over the TV presenters on college green were noisy and/or close to parliament?
Would you say the people glued to paintings were quite static?
Would you say the guy sleeping up the bridge was one person protesting?
Ignorance of the law has never been a defence has it?

Have ministers done this during the crackdown?
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Honestly SLWO, what the f*** are you even arguing here?

In all the examples you have given, people were arrested for protesting. Including, as was the original point, two journanalists merely filming the protests. Clearly the police have now become so used to arresting people at protests they're not even bothering to check is they're breaking the new rules any more.
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Brexit making the cost of living crisis worse …

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 36167.html
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Turns to Stone wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:15 pm There is another interesting point around this though, and it's one that UK students are far less likely to go to international universities that other students.
Bit typical of the British though. Rare to find any who have worked overseas, studied or even extensively travelled anywhere other than their two weeks holiday somewhere nice and sunny. Or am I making too much of an assumption?
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DaveWHU1964 wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:08 am Brexit making the cost of living crisis worse …

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 36167.html
Pretty obvious that it would. Brexit leads to higher import costs, which are then passed onto consumers.
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But how?
Brexit will REDUCE food, wine and clothes costs by 20% - Rees-Mogg 2017
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Senior EU lawmaker arrested over alleged bribery
European Parliament Vice President Eva Kaili has been arrested in an investigation into suspected bribery by a Gulf state.

Belgian prosecutors believe the unnamed country tried to influence the parliament with money or other gifts.

Four others were also arrested, according to the AFP news agency.

Local media suggested the Gulf state in question was Qatar - but a Qatari spokesperson said he was unaware of any investigation, and denied misconduct.

Ms Kaili, a lawmaker at the European Parliament and one of its 14 elected vice presidents, has been suspended from the parliament's Socialists and Democrats Group and expelled from the Greek centre-left Pasok party.

In a statement, the Socialists and Democrats Group said it had "zero tolerance" for corruption, and would support the investigation.

Cash worth about €600,000 ($632,000; £515,000) was seized by Belgian police in 16 searches in Brussels on Friday. Computers and mobile phones were also taken by police in order to examine their contents.

...............

The day of the arrests, 9 December, was international anti-corruption day, designated by the UN and also marked by the European Parliament.

Corruption costs the EU economy between €179bn and €990bn a year, representing up to 6% of EU GDP in lost tax revenue and investment, according to a 2016 estimate cited in a document published by the European Parliament to mark the day.


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Four charged over bribery in EU parliament
Four people have been charged in an investigation into suspected bribery at the European Parliament by a Gulf state - reportedly Qatar.

Greek MEP and European Parliament Vice President Eva Kaili was among those previously arrested in the case.

Prosecutors suspect the Gulf state tried to influence parliament decisions with donations of money or gifts.

Local media have reported that the accused country is Qatar, which the Qatari government has denied.

Watchdogs and opposition MEPs have said it could be one of the biggest corruption scandals the European Parliament has ever seen.

Ms Kaili, one of 14 elected vice presidents, has been suspended from the parliament's Socialists and Democrats Group and expelled from the Greek centre-left Pasok party.


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Ministers being nicked for corruption?..... perhaps we should've stayed in after all..
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It's telling that even this Brexit-Brexit-rah-rah-rah government know that the reality is so poor that they have to lie about it to make it sound better. An indication that they realise that up to now, it's been somewhere on the scale of between disappointing and dog-**** ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eals-claim
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Tell a lie, and it’ll be scrutinised and fact checked.
Tell fifty lies a day, every day, and it’s impossible to debunk any of them.

That is modern politics in a nutshell.
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Keep telling the same lie over and over and they'll be an army of idiots willing to swear blind it was true, to their own detriment.

Especially if that lie supports their own previously held prejudices.
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You might have thought in this age of total, global connectivity, that it would be harder to tell lies that are believed.
Turns out it's the opposite..
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DaveWHU1964 wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:05 am It's telling that even this Brexit-Brexit-rah-rah-rah government know that the reality is so poor that they have to lie about it to make it sound better. An indication that they realise that up to now, it's been somewhere on the scale of between disappointing and dog-**** ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eals-claim
“Ultimately though, what Brexit has shown is how threadbare the case for continued Westminster control has become. Scotland needs an alternative, and that alternative is independence within the European Union.”
Wishful thinking washed down with a pint of irony....... :lol:
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I'll say one thing about Brexit that gets forgotten....The Government didn't vote for or make us leave...it was a Peoples Democratic
Referendum that enabled that....indeed would say Government at time was pretty much 50/50 as the population was, so reflecting public opinion.
I wont go into the rest of the Houses take on it that didn't reflect public opinion...

So if people consider it's a mistake, you know who to blame....

And No we weren't mislead by buses etc..(which incidently was true),the public aren't stupid,the majority just wanted to leave a
proven corrupt/badly run organisation.
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