“Drug paraphernalia was seen inside the vehicle and as subject being spoken to, an unknown male looked to be approaching the subject’s vehicle and ran [out of] sight of police. Believe to be a possible drug deal.”
Not "we suspected" or "were led to believe". That's a definitive statement that they saw drug paraphernalia in the car. Surely any defence the police have should be thrown out of court unless they are showing those items?
Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:37 pm
Not "we suspected" or "were led to believe". That's a definitive statement that they saw drug paraphernalia in the car. Surely any defence the police have should be thrown out of court unless they are showing those items?
To be honest, anything could be classed as drug paraphernalia, soft drink bottle or can, a pen, some cardboard, Rizlas - even a lighter! Did they specify what type of drug paraphernalia? If not, then it really is just an excuse to search people, just like Section 43 of the Terrorism act is widely abused by the police to search you but not nearly as much as Section 5 of the Public Order act is abused by police to nick someone. An inspector recently arrested someone who called him a "muppet" and (quite rightly) the case was dropped and the arrestee claimed off the police is a civil case.
Something the Police are getting right (albeit by stealth) is the approach to drugs. Be much better if the whole system was aligned around it to take full advantage of it.
I had a very unhealthy disdain for the police for many many years, but over time and knowing one in our group of friends now it has subsided some what.
I have one friend and a family member that done time late 80's, early 90's for crimes they did not commit, now don't get me wrong, they made money through crime so some would say they deserved it, and I would get that argument but they went to prison for something they both did not commit.
Dave's post earlier in the thread was excellent. From our friend, the quality of candidate has declined hugely, there are far more good than bad Police, but the number of bad has reason significantly over the last 10 years for a number of reasons.
She (Police) does say, and something I agree on fully from past experience that far too many Police are incredibly obnoxious, arrogant, and have a way that the people they talk to are beneath them, which in her words, is one of the big issues in the force nowadays as they do not help themselves.
The wattsapp groups are everywhere, and what they share/say is not PC at all, but to counter that, what they all have to go through they use it as coping mechanism, as many see and have to deal with some horrible **** as you could imagine. Mental Health issues on their calls takes up a huge % of their time, and they often have to leave vulnerable people vulnerable as support services are broken.
The degree thing is laughable in her words, and I find that in the private sector as well. A balanced individual that wants to get on will be far better.
Sexism is rife, but only if you let it according to her, you have to be incredibly strong and stand your ground and give more back, it then calms down.
I think the Police do pretty much an impossible job nowadays due to society going down the toilet, CPS in a mess, they have my sympathy, but there is much they can do to improve internally.
Clacton-ammer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:05 am
I have one friend and a family member that done time late 80's, early 90's for crimes they did not commit, now don't get me wrong, they made money through crime so some would say they deserved it, and I would get that argument but they went to prison for something they both did not commit.
Without knowing (or wishing to know) what happened, it's surely the Courts who sent them to prison and not the police? Legal representatives who prosecuted and the judge who handed down the custodial sentence.
It might be worse now but arrogant policemen aren't a new phenomenon.
Got a mate who joined from sixth form. Overnight almost he turned into the guy Liam Gallagher modelled his walk on. He came down for a night out when I was at uni and walked to the front of the queue at a club flashing his warrant card about. He got in before he twigged we hadn't followed him, was stood for half an hour waiting for us as everyone he had walked past walked past him stood in the doorway lol
Been stopped and searched a couple of times. Never had an issue with it but then I never carry weapons or drugs. Maybe there’s a direct correlation to people who do have an issue with it?
The Overlook wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:31 pm
Maybe they have enough information already?
They don't. The victims are still waiting for them to return and give a more detailed statement as the coppers on the night spent 5 minutes at the scene before rushing off as they were busy...
And there will be conditions attached. It sounds like she is suspected of breaching the conditions on the day, and previously. Her refusing to attend a voluntary interview gives a necessity for arrest. I don't think he arrested her for praying inside her head.
The Overlook wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:47 pm
I would imagine it's relevant to the conditions of the PSPO.
Hypothetically?
Maybe something about prayers of an obscene/offensive nature related to abortion outside an abortion clinic.
The clipped video gives no context. Good for retweets though. Hopefully the force concerned puts a statement out explaining.
The worrying about this (and I'm not religious) is that praying can be criminalised in certain contexts and the police can (and do) enforce this. I'd also say that using anti-social behaviour powers can be used against those who are peacefully demonstrating. I agree there may be a different context from what I'm seeing here, but on the face of it, it's worrying IMO.