Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:35 pm
A fair wage is now "socialist style handouts".
I really do need a new dictionary.
Or a downward dial on the politics.
I'm talking about furlough, eat-out-to-help-out and the energy support scheme. These can , of course, be added to 0% interest rates (though the government can be cut slack on that one as it's BoE),
This government seems to have taken the view that it can constantly intervene in the economy.
They, we, are now seeing the unintended consequences of their 'do gooding'.
Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:36 pm
No, I meant Starmer. That's who the government says is behind all of these, right?
Sorry, I'm not glued to twitter, watching PMQs and just like Vienna - it meant nothing to me.
delbert wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:52 pm
In 5 years time the Tories can campaign as the party of prudence, one that will sort out the basket case economy.......
If the armed forces were to take over all (most) our essential services like the postmen, nursing, firemen, train driving, border control, etc. it would be a simple motion to then enforce martial law and crush all those pesky left-wing - commie - anarchist.
We could turn into a military dictatorship before the New Year, maybe pushing everyone into strike action was the plan all along?
Hummer , I dont think we have enough military personal to do all of those jobs , unless we introduce conscription and then we would have a few hundred thousand heavily armed football supporters . That should make a trip to tottenham interesting !
Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:33 am
^^^^^^^ delbs maybe you're on to something.
If the armed forces were to take over all (most) our essential services like the postmen, nursing, firemen, train driving, border control, etc. it would be a simple motion to then enforce martial law and crush all those pesky left-wing - commie - anarchist.
We could turn into a military dictatorship before the New Year, maybe pushing everyone into strike action was the plan all along?
We'd have had a military coup if Corbyn had become PM.
Removing anyone's right to strike is a stupid move. The ambulance etc can cause just as much chaos by working to rule or an overtime ban. Which they can't ban you from doing as it's the rules (that get bent daily to get any public service working)
The armed forces are moaning and rightly so about cover jobs that pay more than them
However I will say if that's the case stop voting Tory when you leave the forces and remember how they treat you!
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:33 pm
However I will say if that's the case stop voting Tory when you leave the forces and remember how they treat you!
They probably remember who sent them off to die based on a lie as well.
ironsonthebrain wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:02 pm
We'd have had a military coup if Corbyn had become PM.
It would have been interesting to see how Corbyn dealt with the military and police tbh.
As a pacifist he would in theory he would have looked at downgrading them but the very impressive way he took control of the labour party was very much Leninist and lenin knew the value of getting soldiers in your side.
The couriers at places like Evri and Yodel must be absolutely coining it because they're paid on per parcel basis, and the more densely packed their delivery rounds are, the easier it is to make money and quickly.
bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:04 pm
General strike?
Nah, just the public sector.
Everyone else is basically getting on with it.
The couriers at places like Evri and Yodel must be absolutely coining it because they're paid on per parcel basis, and the more densely packed their delivery rounds are, the easier it is to make money and quickly.
Amazing how many people are happy being exploited
Can't afford a pay rise but share holders can get a massive bonus
Can't afford a payrise but happy to sign off massive gov contract with billions of bonuses tied into them
bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:04 pm
General strike?
Nah, just the public sector.
Everyone else is basically getting on with it.
The couriers at places like Evri and Yodel must be absolutely coining it because they're paid on per parcel basis, and the more densely packed their delivery rounds are, the easier it is to make money and quickly.
The ones I know that work for courier firms are not happy. Already stressed out they can't cope with the extra work ( some given to them by the RM CEO).
There will be lots more cases like highlighted in the Ken Loach film on the gig economy.
The RM CEO has addressed customers today and openly says they are making staff redundant band replacing them with new starters on less pay and terms and conditions. It's wrong.
bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:04 pm
General strike?
Nah, just the public sector.
Everyone else is basically getting on with it.
The couriers at places like Evri and Yodel must be absolutely coining it because they're paid on per parcel basis, and the more densely packed their delivery rounds are, the easier it is to make money and quickly.
Amazon narrowly avoided proper strikes (there were some brief wildcat ones) at their fulfilment centres a few months back.
I would wager that the only thing keeping a lot of people working for them and in the last mile industry from wider action is the shitty nature of their employment status.
A letter from my nicely uniformed, hi Viz wearing Royal Mail Postie. Same chap for years. He drives a nicely painted van with the RM logo on it.
I also got a small parcel from a bloke who had a load of parcels in the back of his car. He wore no uniform, had no high viz vest, asked me to sign nothing and made it clear he would have left it on the doorstep had I not answered his knock in a nano second. Value of goods £25.
Now. Is the chap using his own car insured ? Either personally, or for using his car for business use? Are the goods insured while in his care?
Paid by the packet delivered? Good luck enforcing that 20mph limit by the schools.
Regardless of how they settle the pay dispute, the Government needs to address the competitive issue, level the playing field so all players have to carry the burden of cost the RM does. It may just be sufficiently competitive to compete if every business played by the rules.
HMG are also missing a trick.
They should tax every sender of a parcel based upon it's weight.
I wonder how much a 10p / kg levy would raise from Amazon and others?
