Xtinction Rebellion

[delbert]

Good question, a fact based campaign perhaps, one avoiding politics and zealots like George Monbiot and the Swedish Doom Goblin.

What I meant by the government weaponising the issue is when they use the environment as a convenient stick to raise revenue with, things like car road funds being based on emissions.......

[Friend or Foé]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-63623307

We don’t really stand much chance of keeping up with the requirement for clean energy based on this piece of information. It casts a doubt over sufficient energy demand full stop. The graph showing population increase since WW2 is staggering. Surely one global environmental policy needs to be based on birth control.

[taust68]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-63623307

We don’t really stand much chance of keeping up with the requirement for clean energy based on this piece of information. It casts a doubt over sufficient energy demand full stop. The graph showing population increase since WW2 is staggering. Surely one global environmental policy needs to be based on birth control.

It would be a good idea but there will always be a group that stands against it

[Hammer1966]

It would be a good idea but there will always be a group that stands against it

Elon Musk being one of them apparently

https://fortune.com/2021/12/07/elon-mus ... irth-rate/

I previously posted (what I thought was) an interesting take on population v consumption. Its not the silver bullet you'd think.

[Friend or Foé]

Elon Musk being one of them apparently

https://fortune.com/2021/12/07/elon-mus ... irth-rate/

I previously posted (what I thought was) an interesting take on population v consumption. Its not the silver bullet you'd think.

It may not be the silver bullet, but the alternative relies upon the entire ever increasing world population to all be more responsible and careful in their energy use to allow us to tiptoe through a problem, whereas if the population was controlled in line with technical development and global infrastructure supply, the effect of responsible use becomes far greater. Why push the boundaries when living within its means will create more comfort. It’s not just individual use that needs to be controlled i.e. household use, but if like Musk everyone decides to have 6 children, then things like food processing factories, water treatment plants, farms l, warehouses etc.. all have to use more energy take up more spaces to provide for everybody. Yes energy use per capita goes down but if the population is increasing then you end up standing still.

[btajim - mcfc]

I can’t be bothered to Google it but I think Musk has more than six kids. Maybe nine?

[chelmsfordhammer91]

I can’t be bothered to Google it but I think Musk has more than six kids. Maybe nine?

He has 8, poor sod.

[btajim - mcfc]

He’s not poor! Nobody but Elon Musk can be blamed for having eight children. He knew what he was doing.

[Hummer_I_mean_Hammer]

He’s not poor! Nobody but Elon Musk can be blamed for having eight children. He knew what he was doing.

nah, he thought his sperm would be like his rocket ships, .... come back to daddy.

[Hammer1966]

It may not be the silver bullet, but the alternative relies upon the entire ever increasing world population to all be more responsible and careful in their energy use to allow us to tiptoe through a problem, whereas if the population was controlled in line with technical development and global infrastructure supply, the effect of responsible use becomes far greater. Why push the boundaries when living within its means will create more comfort. It’s not just individual use that needs to be controlled i.e. household use, but if like Musk everyone decides to have 6 children, then things like food processing factories, water treatment plants, farms l, warehouses etc.. all have to use more energy take up more spaces to provide for everybody. Yes energy use per capita goes down but if the population is increasing then you end up standing still.

Not how I read it at all. A small proportion of the global population (mostly in the richest countries) produce the bulk of the worlds consumption. If you reduce consumption it has a bigger impact than reducing copulation. I reckon its probably easier to police as well...

[chelmsfordhammer91]

Why not try and work towards both?

[Friend or Foé]

Why not try and work towards both?

Exactly. Why work on a theory that could quite easily spiral out of control as developing nations become more affluent and therefore use increasingly more energy per capita.

[Friend or Foé]

Musk probably see’s an opportunity to sell or patent an electronic gadget to the world that we will all need to buy from in order to help curb our consumption. Population increase is good for business.

[Het-Field]

XR’s New Year message has indicated a pivot in their tactics. Looks like they will press on with a more traditional style of direct action such as picketing party conferences etc. I expect this will not influence the tactics of Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain etc, who seem to be more relevant. I’d find it interesting though that the original protest group has in effect seen the reputation impact of the civic disobedience approach, and is looking to move away from it.

[Bend it like Repka]

XR’s New Year message has indicated a pivot in their tactics. Looks like they will press on with a more traditional style of direct action such as picketing party conferences etc. I expect this will not influence the tactics of Just Stop Oil and Insulate Britain etc, who seem to be more relevant. I’d find it interesting though that the original protest group has in effect seen the reputation impact of the civic disobedience approach, and is looking to move away from it.

Yes I read that. I never really got how causing disruption to the general pubic will both aid your cause and get a government to act. It seemed a pointless approach that would never ever work.

To me, if you want to effect chance you need to target the worst offenders and hurt them in the pocket. I've always thought if the public whould target certain companies over non tax payment or pollution they could get results if they were better organised.

So if XR feel Shell is the worst part of the problem, block their forecourts and offices rather than public highways....

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

If they disrupt the Conservative conference, let's say by chaining themselves to the venue's entrance, I wonder if the police will still bring them tea and sandwiches?

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

New plans to widen police powers for disruptive protests

Police could be allowed to shut down protests before they cause serious disruption, under new government plans.

Downing Street said the proposals would help officers clamp down on "a disruptive minority" who use tactics like blocking roads and slow marching.

It said the changes seek to give police greater flexibility and clarity over when they can intervene.

But human rights group Liberty said the proposals amounted to an attack on the right to protest.

The plans will be set out in an amendment to the Public Order Bill, due to be introduced on Monday.


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[Het-Field]

Tonight’s direct action at the snooker in Sheffield will undoubtedly be the turning point of Just Stop Oil and the climate movement. People are going to take heed of what they say and join them in similar disruptions, which will cause the Tory Party to change its ways and pivot towards a greener future.

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

^^^^Exactly. I've already become vegan, recycled my car into drums and stilts for when I join the demos and now knit my own yoghurt, all because of orange powder on a snooker table.

[WHU Independent]

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men (people) to do nothing.“

Maybe they should sit indoors on their phones, play on their Nintendo or just binge watch box sets? Or do nothing more than talk about the problems of the world like 99% of the rest of population.

They are getting out and fighting for something the believe in.

More power too them.