Zhou En Lai, asked in 1972 about the impact of the French Revolution was reputed to have said "It's too soon to tell".
So I hope you're not thinking that all will be right with the country on day one of a Labour government? You do realise that improvements get measured in years or even decades?
I think realistically the next government will need at least two years to start seeing any real improvements, you would hope at 2 years things begin to trend in a certain direction.
Brexit hope now seems to be 'something will turn up'
Did we leave last autumn then? IMF forecast our growth at 1.6% back then, so brexit must be what's changed the last few months. Oh and 3% for 2022 - it was 4.4 the highest of that group of countries.
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:25 am
Did we leave last autumn then? IMF forecast our growth at 1.6% back then, so brexit must be what's changed the last few months. Oh and 3% for 2022 - it was 4.4 the highest of that group of countries.
OK - everyone is wrong, things are going really well
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:25 am
Did we leave last autumn then? IMF forecast our growth at 1.6% back then, so brexit must be what's changed the last few months. Oh and 3% for 2022 - it was 4.4 the highest of that group of countries.
I realise the IMF are a bit hit an miss with their precise forecasts but the underlying arguments are sound.
We're currently begiin retirees to go back to work because we have a Labour shortage.
Countless small businesses have given up trying to import/export or shut up shop all togjher because of the barriers caused by Brexit.
We have higher costs because of the currency drop in June 2016 which hasn't been corrected
This is leading to higher interest rates and high debt repayments.
There's no point posting outliers who have bucked the trend because it's the trend that matters, not the exceptionalism which caused this situation in the first place.
It seems that the Sunak team have got a btter handle on reality and are pursuing solutions but need a way to get it past the ERG ideoloigical purists.
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:25 am
Did we leave last autumn then? IMF forecast our growth at 1.6% back then, so brexit must be what's changed the last few months. Oh and 3% for 2022 - it was 4.4 the highest of that group of countries.
As a voter for brexit what key benefits have you experienced and what would you miss if we return?
Big George wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:43 am
I realise the IMF are a bit hit an miss with their precise forecasts but the underlying arguments are sound.
We're currently begiin retirees to go back to work because we have a Labour shortage.
Countless small businesses have given up trying to import/export or shut up shop all togjher because of the barriers caused by Brexit.
We have higher costs because of the currency drop in June 2016 which hasn't been corrected
This is leading to higher interest rates and high debt repayments.
There's no point posting outliers who have bucked the trend because it's the trend that matters, not the exceptionalism which caused this situation in the first place.
It seems that the Sunak team have got a btter handle on reality and are pursuing solutions but need a way to get it past the ERG ideoloigical purists.
All those things were also true in August and in the previous year.
The only year since 2009 that gdp didn't grow was 2020. If it's about ignoring outliers surely a forecast of decline would be the one wouldn't it?
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:56 pm
As a voter for brexit what key benefits have you experienced and what would you miss if we return?
Well I got rid of a tranche of bureaucrats so that worked out. We aren't tied to the EU politically so I have lost the frustration is had of it being neither one thing or the other.
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:10 pm
Well I got rid of a tranche of bureaucrats so that worked out. We aren't tied to the EU politically so I have lost the frustration is had of it being neither one thing or the other.
So both my big reasons for voting out I got.
If we went back I'd miss both those things.
So instead we are governed by one party of corruption with very little buffer to stop them? Ie what the eu provided us. Insurance against the Tories
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:28 pm
So instead we are governed by one party of corruption with very little buffer to stop them? Ie what the eu provided us. Insurance against the Tories
How would feel about getting a Labour government only to find you were in the EU and it was being run by the Euro-Tories?
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:28 pm
So instead we are governed by one party of corruption with very little buffer to stop them? Ie what the eu provided us. Insurance against the Tories
I haven't ever voted for the Tories not a lot more I can do at this end.
What insurance? Half the things you don't like them doing happened while we were in the EU.
mumbles87 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:28 pm
So instead we are governed by one party of corruption with very little buffer to stop them? Ie what the eu provided us. Insurance against the Tories
Lolz , yes because the EU is the last bastion of anti-corruption. FFS.
