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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:09 am In fairness, the club don't have to sell the tickets for £46. They just have to pay that to Man United.

Can't be bothered to do the maths but given they'll be getting a share of the revenue back there's room for a discount/deal in there somewhere.
Well if thre is a deal in there they had better be quick about it.
People got to buy tickets now.
Maybe the isc have got something up there sleeve and every thing will be alright
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:09 am In fairness, the club don't have to sell the tickets for £46. They just have to pay that to Man United.

Can't be bothered to do the maths but given they'll be getting a share of the revenue back there's room for a discount/deal in there somewhere.
Based on a 45% split and £45 a ticket, it's around £180k - obviously they'll be a mixture of Senior / U21 tickets, so assuming £40 average a ticket and 9k sold - that between £160-180k back to the club. So yes, there is room for them to "do something".

Think we all know the answer to whether they will or not.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:09 am In fairness, the club don't have to sell the tickets for £46. They just have to pay that to Man United.

Can't be bothered to do the maths but given they'll be getting a share of the revenue back there's room for a discount/deal in there somewhere.
If the average ticket price is £45.50 and the club get 45% share of receipts, then they are making £20.47 on each away ticket.
If they subsidised them down to £30 it would cost the club £44,730 on 9000 tickets.
This is from a total of about £1.4 million which will be our share of ticket sales, which I assume is bonus income as clubs don't usually include cup runs in their budget.
And that's without our share of the TV money.

Or they could leave the tickets at £45/£46 but put on free coaches, as they have done in the past.

Or they could choose not to help supporters, to have a smaller following and lose yet more goodwill.
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brownout wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:33 am If the average ticket price is £45.50 and the club get 45% share of receipts, then they are making £20.47 on each away ticket.
If they subsidised them down to £30 it would cost the club £44,730 on 9000 tickets.
This is from a total of about £1.4 million which will be our share of ticket sales, which I assume is bonus income as clubs don't usually include cup runs in their budget.
And that's without our share of the TV money.

Or they could leave the tickets at £45/£46 but put on free coaches, as they have done in the past.

Or they could choose not to help supporters, to have a smaller following and lose yet more goodwill.
Spurs offered subsidised coach travel at £10 for their game at Preston in round 4, West Ham want £35 to go to Manchester…..
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brownout wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:33 am If the average ticket price is £45.50 and the club get 45% share of receipts, then they are making £20.47 on each away ticket.
If they subsidised them down to £30 it would cost the club £44,730 on 9000 tickets.
This is from a total of about £1.4 million which will be our share of ticket sales, which I assume is bonus income as clubs don't usually include cup runs in their budget.
And that's without our share of the TV money.

Or they could leave the tickets at £45/£46 but put on free coaches, as they have done in the past.

Or they could choose not to help supporters, to have a smaller following and lose yet more goodwill.
Are you sure brownout - my maths could well be wrong, so apologies if I've made a schoolboy error in this - but can't see where you get £1.4m and £44k from?

But £45.50 * 9000 is £409,500 and 45% is £184k

Subsiding the tickets would mean £15.50 per ticket * 9000 is £139k - still leaves a £45k profit - so room for subsidisation AND potential travel assistance
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mickthekeeper wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:23 pm Are you sure brownout - my maths could well be wrong, so apologies if I've made a schoolboy error in this - but can't see where you get £1.4m and £44k from?

But £45.50 * 9000 is £409,500 and 45% is £184k

Subsiding the tickets would mean £15.50 per ticket * 9000 is £139k - still leaves a £45k profit - so room for subsidisation AND potential travel assistance
70,000 tickets in total at £45 is £3.15 million. 45% of that is £1.4 million which is what the club will make from ticket sales (I think).

And yes I was wrong. £15.50 subsidy on 9,000 tickets is £139,500.
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brownout wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:58 pm 70,000 tickets in total at £45 is £3.15 million. 45% of that is £1.4 million which is what the club will make from ticket sales (I think).

And yes I was wrong. £15.50 subsidy on 9,000 tickets is £139,500.
thanks - that's were I was going wrong - I thought it is 45% of our ticket sales, not the total receipts, so my calculations were far too low.

So absolutely room for a subsidy IMO
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I will be amazed if we take 5000 fans to this all things considered which has been discussed in the thread already.
If we take 4000 that will be a decent showing.
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This discussion does raise a few points.

My initial point was Man United effectively set the FA cups games at £46 and League Cup games at £30 for away fans before the season starts ,no matter the day or opponent by the way they sell their season tickets. The rules as I understand are away fans pay an amount equal to the lowest match day ticket available to home fans no matter the stand they are situated in.

The points made around our board doing something are very valid. For me free coaches do not work for everyone, so in some way subsidising tickets would have been the way forwards. In addition, we will have to buy tickets for Man City without a confirmed date and most likely will have a second midweek trip to Manchester within a month (I am assuming Man City beat Bristol City as opposed to us beating Manchester United).

I think the main cause of people being annoyed is the fact its £46 v £30, maybe we have become conditioned to £30, but before the PL cap was introduced £46 was normal for a trip to Old Trafford, Liverpool this season would have been a similar price, I would guess Tottenham and Chelsea would be £70+ a ticket.

There has been a lot of debate as to away ticket demand, the rights and wrongs of the points system, corporates etc but it does seem that the £30 cap is a big part of it and maybe more so than some have thought.
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Row X wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:17 pm West Ham have to agree on the prices as well, because as you point out we get some of the gate money as well.

Our board have agreed this.
I think it is more that each club has a standard price and if you want to charge less you have to get the other club's agreement. In the past, i recall our saying that we had wanted to charge a lower price to fill the stadium and lower league clubs had said no.
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I do think the price of the Man U ticket feels a bit steep - but I was on holiday for the home game against Man City and I got £67.50 refunded in "Clubcash" for that, so Man U are charging £20 or £30 less than my ticket would be if we played them at home

And I think I paid £60 for a last 16 Europa Conference League game against an unidentified opponent net month
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danm79 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:08 pmI think the main cause of people being annoyed is the fact its £46 v £30, maybe we have become conditioned to £30, but before the PL cap was introduced £46 was normal for a trip to Old Trafford, Liverpool this season would have been a similar price, I would guess Tottenham and Chelsea would be £70+ a ticket.

There has been a lot of debate as to away ticket demand, the rights and wrongs of the points system, corporates etc but it does seem that the £30 cap is a big part of it and maybe more so than some have thought.
Exactly this. I was paying £100 to take my son (U10 at the time) to Spurs and Chelsea and regularly paid £70 for tickets for the two of us to go elsewhere. That's why I've not really flinched about these prices, they charge every away team the same for cup games and did so for Reading, so why it's a surprise to anyone I have no idea. Not to say it's right, but this was always the norm before the £30 cap.

Won't see too many people moaning about a closed shop right now, that's for sure...
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Lots of free coaches would be a nice gesture. Another open goal they could sky 50 yards high.
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Be intrigued to know how many tickets the club sold today.
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Simon_1982 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:24 pm Be intrigued to know how many tickets the club sold today.
We are selling block E234 so the normal 3k and one complete additional block in the lower block look to be sold and we are selling the final lower tier block.

The 9000 allocation assumes the upper and lower tiers, the upper holds 4000 fans so logical estimate would be we have sold between 4000 and 5000 tickets so far in the lower tier.
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danm79 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:53 pm We are selling block E234 so the normal 3k and one complete additional block in the lower block look to be sold and we are selling the final lower tier block.

The 9000 allocation assumes the upper and lower tiers, the upper holds 4000 fans so logical estimate would be we have sold between 4000 and 5000 tickets so far in the lower tier.
not sure this is true. I bought in block E233 at 9.10 this morning and there is no way there way 3000 ahead of me.
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Huggie wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:10 pm not sure this is true. I bought in block E233 at 9.10 this morning and there is no way there way 3000 ahead of me.
You are correct I had my East Stand Upper Tier capacity wrong.

E233 is normal away block.

http://www.tothe92.co.uk/groundguide/ma ... nited.html

There are 6400 seats in the East upper so are now selling the additional lower tier block so would assume it’s more like 3000-3600 sold.
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We don’t get any in the lower do we? We didn’t when we went there a few years ago (Payet) and had about 8k I think, I thought they couldn’t house away fans there because of the disabled section.
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