Migrants crossing the Channel
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Re: Migrants crossing the Channel
Literally the only part of this to care about is any loss of life due to unsafe transit. If a few hundred make it across per week and want to enter into our 17th century system, good for them.
This is the world's biggest dead cat.
Let's not talk about the economy.
Or the dodgy COVID deals.
Or Johnson and Partygate.
Or the rampant strikes.
No, let's demonise a few dinghies.
BTW, stupid Suella is being hung out to dry. Styling herself as this bizarre anti-migrant, ladder-pulling Priti Plus on steroids, only for the government to sack her in favour of someone more compassionate and less oddly Rwanda-fixated in prep for the next election. Always good to keep some nutters handy to sack when required.
This is the world's biggest dead cat.
Let's not talk about the economy.
Or the dodgy COVID deals.
Or Johnson and Partygate.
Or the rampant strikes.
No, let's demonise a few dinghies.
BTW, stupid Suella is being hung out to dry. Styling herself as this bizarre anti-migrant, ladder-pulling Priti Plus on steroids, only for the government to sack her in favour of someone more compassionate and less oddly Rwanda-fixated in prep for the next election. Always good to keep some nutters handy to sack when required.
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It's not a few though is it? Everything you've listed is still being talked about, but other than that, spot on...... :lol:
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Those same people that triggered your sympathy would also be shipped off to Rwanda without a choice. Even if they've been trafficked and forced onto that boat.
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Agree with that last point. But then we also shouldn't be lumping everyone together and assuming they are all taking the piss. Which is what the majority of Sunak & Braverman's announcements do.thamesideiron wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:56 am When they get there,they find like said, 30 odd men women and children,in a totally overcrowded dinghy,drifting with the current,
totally helpless..
They Get the 5 kiddies on Board first..Ordering women and children first,youngest was about 3 I think,then 5/6 women then the
guys...wrap them in blankets,try and get them warm,give them water....talk to them, tell them they're safe now,we'll take care of you.
Get Them back to Eastbourne...ambulances and paramedics waiting..
Never been prouder to be a Brit....from the Ferry Standing by...to guys and girls going out to rescue and comfort these men women
and children....really chuffed..
However I see boatloads of 20/25 young Albanian guys,arriving on our shores last year and now this year...who are not refugees,
are not in danger,are here for financial reasons,who after a couple hours questioning,documents,proof of identity,where are you
heading to,any family,etc,all the usual..
Any failing to meet the critria of entry,would be offered the chance of a return flight,or take your chances in Rwanda..no ifs
buts or maybes.
Theres a huge huge difference in need in the people trying to enter our country.....We need to focus on those that need our help,
return those that don't ASAP......Not lump everyone together Lineker Style,and welcome everyone.
Those same people that triggered your sympathy would also be shipped off to Rwanda without a choice. Even if they've been trafficked and forced onto that boat.
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And the worst part is the policy itself is naked populism, and trying to play up to the immigration minded Brexit voters that 'loaned' their votes to the Tories in 2019. The policy will have little or no interest for places like London which are already significantly multi-cultural, but the Tories are gambling on this to appease the voters in Brexit country in an ongoing effort to retain votes now that Brexit is redundant.
In the cold light of day, the Rwanda plan is nasty.
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Re: Migrants crossing the Channel
RaddyKovac wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:35 am Literally the only part of this to care about is any loss of life due to unsafe transit. If a few hundred make it across per week and want to enter into our 17th century system, good for them.
Let's not talk about the economy.
There was a budget
Or the dodgy COVID deals.
There is an ongoing enquiry, court cases and various WhatsApp leaks
Or Johnson and Partygate.
It's all over the news today
Or the rampant strikes.
Deals are being done left right and centre
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'Pro-europeans' suggesting that because an area is 'multi-cultural' that immigration can't be a matter of salience for them.
Individual MPs, who happen to be of Afro-Caribbean or Indian heritage being told that they can't possibly think a certain way because of their skin colour.
Negative comments on Rwanda and Albania whilst longingly gazing at Europe and denigrating global partnerships.
Take a group of people - tell them how they should think, assume you 'own' their vote, assume they think at the extremes like people in Islington North and Brighton Pavilion .... how does that normally end?
Individual MPs, who happen to be of Afro-Caribbean or Indian heritage being told that they can't possibly think a certain way because of their skin colour.
Negative comments on Rwanda and Albania whilst longingly gazing at Europe and denigrating global partnerships.
Take a group of people - tell them how they should think, assume you 'own' their vote, assume they think at the extremes like people in Islington North and Brighton Pavilion .... how does that normally end?
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To be clear, I'm not for one second assuming votes are owned. But you can extrapolate from voting patterns how certain areas are going to vote. You can also accept that the 'red wall' is pivotal to the Tories maintaining power. It is a natural pivot in an effort to maintain those votes to focus on immigration, which was a part of the Brexit debate in an effort to say 'we're still listening'.bubbles1966 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:00 am 'Pro-europeans' suggesting that because an area is 'multi-cultural' that immigration can't be a matter of salience for them.
Individual MPs, who happen to be of Afro-Caribbean or Indian heritage being told that they can't possibly think a certain way because of their skin colour.
Negative comments on Rwanda and Albania whilst longingly gazing at Europe and denigrating global partnerships.
Take a group of people - tell them how they should think, assume you 'own' their vote, assume they think at the extremes like people in Islington North and Brighton Pavilion .... how does that normally end?
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Thing is Dan,Lineker and others seems to think we are not treating all, I'll call them "Immigrants" not disrespectful,just encompasses everyone..Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:46 am Agree with that last point. But then we also shouldn't be lumping everyone together and assuming they are all taking the piss. Which is what the majority of Sunak & Braverman's announcements do.
Those same people that triggered your sympathy would also be shipped off to Rwanda without a choice. Even if they've been trafficked and forced onto that boat.
Unfairly...thats just not true,as my post tried to convey....we care, the public care,the Government even care,they're not thugs,as lineker
tried to refer to them as.
It's Complicated...but like to think we can distinguish,between a Family with hopefully some kind of documentation
fleeing from Syria/Afghanistan etc known countries where there is conflict and oppression and some Young Male Albanian Dudes ..
who are here for "financial reasons".... :lol: .....Jumping on the band wagon,cos of the easy entry into our country we have been
giving everyone that arrives.We all no it's happening.
The present process for Illegal entry isn't working, We're Full up at moment,for processing that is,we need a way to ease it..
so those that are obviously not from countries in conflict,repression,need to be moved on,that will help us deal with the people
that really need our help and aid...it's a way of not lumping together,which leads to accepting nearly everyone,it will
help us seperate and prioritize.
The P**s Takers are screwing it up for those that need us...we need to stop it.
Re: Migrants crossing the Channel
You missed the bit about the abuse the RNLI guys were getting off crowds standing on the quay merely for doing their very difficult jobthamesideiron wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:56 am Caught a programme on TV other night,always try and watch if on...Saving lives at sea....
Eastbourne RNLIs guys and girls get a shout out....Dinghy Drifting some 10/12 miles off coast, no power some 30/35 people on board..
called in by a channel ferry..
They set off takes an hour or so to get there...Ferry has waited in vacinity for an easier spot for the crew..
When they get there,they find like said, 30 odd men women and children,in a totally overcrowded dinghy,drifting with the current,
totally helpless..
They Get the 5 kiddies on Board first..Ordering women and children first,youngest was about 3 I think,then 5/6 women then the
guys...wrap them in blankets,try and get them warm,give them water....talk to them, tell them they're safe now,we'll take care of you.
Get Them back to Eastbourne...ambulances and paramedics waiting..
Never been prouder to be a Brit....from the Ferry Standing by...to guys and girls going out to rescue and comfort these men women
and children....really chuffed..
Proud to be British indeed
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Hi,
It's hard at times but can't base opinions on a few uncaring mouthy loudmouths like them mate..they didn't even warrant a mention.
But it's a free country so we have to tolerate them.
Still best country in world to me,very proud to be a Brit..
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I don't disagree, Thameside. I think we're pretty special too. Which is why I can completely understand why so many try and get here.thamesideiron wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:20 am
Still best country in world to me,very proud to be a Brit..
One of the downsides of living in a pretty good country is that other people want in.
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Canada and the US agree a policy to stop all migrants at unofficial crossing spots - other than that the rest is unclear .Turns to Stone wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:54 pm
One of the downsides of living in a pretty good country is that other people want in.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 023-03-23/
Expect Rwanda will be receiving even more potential Military Personnel/Border Patrol Guards soon .
This the latest from Gov.Uk on Rwanda travel advice -
'' The eastern part of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) which neighbours Rwanda remains unstable, and conflict can flare up with little notice. There have been incidents of violent clashes on the DRC-Rwanda border in recent years, and armed incursions into the southwest of Rwanda. On 10 June 2022 artillery fire from within DRC hit Rwandan territory close to the border in Kinigi sector of Musanze district in the North West. This follows a similar incident in May. Tourists sites have not been affected and the Rwandan government have assured residents and visitors that the area remains secure, but given instability in DRC further such incidents cannot be ruled out. On 17 June, a Congolese soldier crossed into Rwanda at Gisenyi and fired on civilians and Rwandan security personnel near the border. Two Rwandan police officers were injured, and the Congolese soldier was shot dead. ''
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Re: Migrants crossing the Channel
Wasn't there similar with the Gurkhas a few years back? Or was it only their pensions?
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Disgraceful if true, however the headline is misleading and the article contains more holes than a Polo factory......
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That was after a long drawn out campaign by Joanna Lumley. At the end of their service Ghurkha's were not allowed to stay in the UK, because of this their pensions were reduced in comparison to UK soldiers as the cost of living in Nepal is a fraction of that over here. Now they're allowed to stay in the UK their pensions are the same, I'm not sure if that's still the case if they choose to go back to Nepal though......Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:58 pm Wasn't there similar with the Gurkhas a few years back? Or was it only their pensions?
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Far from being an isolated case. Similar one about an Afghani judge today/yesterday.
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The approval rates for Afghan asylum seekers are 97%. Takes some doing to get a 'no'.
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Couldn't he have made a convincing female footballer?Essexmaniac wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:25 pm Far from being an isolated case. Similar one about an Afghani judge today/yesterday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-64967941
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Tobias Ellwood with the front to come out and say that case above is "not who we are".
It's exactly what they voted for and boasted about and exactly what they will vote for again soon.
It's exactly what they voted for and boasted about and exactly what they will vote for again soon.