👋 Farewell, Gianluca Scamacca

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HammerMan2004 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 am Chalk another one to the list of terrible Moyes signings then. Signed a guy who he can't work with to get the best out of despite his teammates recognising his quality. Good stuff.
Or a sicknote who has gone crying to mummy after a tough season.

See Paqueta for how a real talent works through a situation like that.
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The good thing is that once we have sold him we can buy another expensive forward that will disappoint for us next season.

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Not sure an expensive forward will want to join us to be honest.

It will be a ‘grafter’ type.
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What is the ****ing point in buying strikers?

How do we continue to be so utterly **** at it and relentlessly fail everyone we do invest in?
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The good thing is that once we have sold him we can buy another expensive forward that will disappoint for us next season.

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fjthegrey wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:53 am What is the ****ing point in buying strikers?

How do we continue to be so utterly **** at it and relentlessly fail everyone we do invest in?
Says it all, that the two best/effective strikers we've had, weren't actually signed as strikers.

Maybe we should follow that route next time..
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Aztec Hammer wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:53 am Not sure an expensive forward will want to join us to be honest.
Not when they know they'll be feeding off scraps.
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Mr Newman, I would like you to find me a striker that feeds off scraps.
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Why would any owner sign off on an expensive striker for this manager now?

He doesn't need one for the role he has mind for them.
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EvilC wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:51 am The good thing is that once we have sold him we can buy another expensive forward that will disappoint for us next season.

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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

Our Striker search is turning into that scene from Beetlejuice where the next Striker coming in has the long number waiting to be seen at Sullivans mansion..

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Antonio clearly states in his podcast that Moyes had bought Scamacca to change the way we play. Unfortunately that had to be binned off as Moysie couldn't get us to do this effectively.

This meant that Scamacca was redundant as soon as the switch to plan B was executed.

I only see Scamacca staying if Moyes goes and we get a progressive manager in.
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jabbaglob123 wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:10 am Antonio clearly states in his podcast that Moyes had bought Scamacca to change the way we play. Unfortunately that had to be binned off as Moysie couldn't get us to do this effectively.

This meant that Scamacca was redundant as soon as the switch to plan B was executed.
Plan B was executed as Scamacca couldn't train with the team properly from mid January and the potential sale of Antonio was delayed at least until the end of this season despite a decent offer from first Wolves and later Chelsea. The right decision.

Scamacca is back in Italy now for the next stage of his rehab in Rome (getting fit for his next club).
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DusseldorfHammer wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:13 am Plan B was executed as Scamacca couldn't train with the team properly from mid January and the potential sale of Antonio was delayed at least until the end of this season despite a decent offer from first Wolves and later Chelsea. The right decision.

Scamacca is back in Italy now for the next stage of his rehab in Rome (getting fit for his next club).
I'm sorry but I'm believing Antonio's word over yours.
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Scamacca has missed half a season through illness and injury.

It's no one's fault that we didn't see the best of him, he started our last ten before the world cup and we were starting to see glimpses of what he a Paqueta would offer.

Unfortunate he dinged up his knee and we've not seen him since so it was back to the old tried and trusted and we pulled ourselves out of trouble.
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Bubbles Fortuna wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:21 am Scamacca has missed half a season through illness and injury.

It's no one's fault that we didn't see the best of him, he started our last ten before the world cup and we were starting to see glimpses of what he a Paqueta would offer.

Unfortunate he dinged up his knee and we've not seen him since so it was back to the old tried and trusted and we pulled ourselves out of trouble.
Exactly that.

11th in the table since the end of January. Balanced on points. -1 goal difference. And a final in Europe. Solid.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:46 am Or a sicknote who has gone crying to mummy after a tough season.

See Paqueta for how a real talent works through a situation like that.
Not sure why being a sick note is considered an insult, I highly doubt he wanted to spend half this season being out with an injury or covid.

Also, why would you force a player to remain in London when he can do his recovery whilst spending time with family?

Paqueta has not had covid or had a season ending injury, there’s no comparison.
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Danny's Dyer Acting wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:46 am Or a sicknote who has gone crying to mummy after a tough season.

See Paqueta for how a real talent works through a situation like that.
Difference is, Paqueta had the chance to play himself into form and fitness..

Scamacca due to illness, injury and then surgery, did not.

It is what it is, just a shame that we'll never know.
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S-H wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:32 am Difference is, Paqueta had the chance to play himself into form and fitness..

Scamacca due to illness, injury and then surgery, did not.

It is what it is, just a shame that we'll never know
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Can we lock this thread next season so it doesn't get bumped every time he scores a goal in Italy?

It'll be like Ajeti/Haller all over again.
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It was evident to me when Scamacca was fit enough to play, Moyes struggled to utilise Scamacca. All you could really see was flashes of brilliance from the Player out of the blue but not because the general play was bringing the best out of him. You'd see him struggle to get to grips with playing in a counter attacking Team that often sat deep and he'd be isolated for long periods looking lost.

What's so frustrating about this (like it also was with Haller) is the player is of genuine quality, it's just that we're making a right hash of bringing the best out of him. And to allow him to leave so soon without trying to make it work after all the expense and contract given to him, it seems yet another sorry waste.

Maybe it's not these quality Strikers that keep arriving that are the problem but the way that we are playing them? And that doesn't have to mean Moyes must go but it does mean Moyes has to find a way of adapting so to get the best out of them.
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