smuts wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 6:15 pm
What on earth were the Police thinking saying that?
They were trusting that they weren't caught on film..
I'm sure most of us can accept the chasing. What's completely unacceptable is the lying.
Tbf, that is the agenda of most big organisations. Something goes wrong & their first reaction is, 'cover up & save arse'.
It's worked quite well to the public's detriment, for many years.
It seems the images of the 'chase' shown on TV last night wasn't in real time. It indicated the police van was a few seconds behind the bike. The same video shown today in real time showed a gap between bike and van of fourteen seconds. Another video shows the van turning off the road on which the bike was.
smuts wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 8:30 pm
If someone doctored the footage then that's a different matter completely. Have to wonder what's wrong with someone to do such a thing?
I don't think anything nefarious occurred, it was just edited to show that there was a police van behind the bike. Fourteen seconds of nothing happening is an eternity in broadcasting so they took out the boring bit. The fact it was shown in full today suggests to me someone upstairs had a word.
Latest theory is that the old bill were chasing the boys but they took a turning down an alley no vehicle can traverse. The police took the long way round - that's why they weren't in the same street as the accident - and the two boys crashed their electrric scooter/vehicle into a lampost, tryingto avoid the chase.
It looks like it's semantcs from the police at best.
‘The police are rubbish they don’t catch criminal’
‘the police shouldn’t have been chasing those kids’
The police can’t win. Things go badly sometimes and it’s tragic. But they are trying in the vast majority of cases to do the best they can.
As for the people that get shot when running away from police. Why not just stop when they ask you then? Of course they have nothing to hide. ‘They were lovely young man’
Any more stabbings recently? ‘Why don’t the police stop this’
‘Stop’d and searched again.. why can’t the police leave us alone.’
Nurdis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 9:02 am
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As for the people that get shot when running away from police.
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That's the bit that troubles me. If they're running away, what threat are they posing? It's a pretty bad state of affairs when lethal force replaces a foot chase, a dog or a helicopter.
Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:47 am
That's the bit that troubles me. If they're running away, what threat are they posing? It's a pretty bad state of affairs when lethal force replaces a foot chase, a dog or a helicopter.
Yeah fair enough anyone running away from police who might have a weapon on them should be left to it and allowed to run off.
smuts wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 9:12 pm
The Aunt of one of the kids who died said he been arrested 30 times in the last 2 years "and not one charge had stuck".
smuts wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 9:12 pm
The Aunt of one of the kids who died said he been arrested 30 times in the last 2 years "and not one charge had stuck".
30 times? Blimey.
Innocent little victim then! Seems the police did a good job arresting him 30 times. Maybe CPS need to take some of the blame for the ending as he clearly needed taking off the streets
SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 12:38 pm
Who will police the police policers
Well there's two at the moment, the Proffessional Standards lot which basically means the old bill investigate themselves or there's the IOPC who are independent of plod and investigate without prejudice.
In this case though, matey had broken the law and was rightly found guilty.
Personally I think "losing" body cam footage should at least be a punishable offence and at worst be a case of perjury. Easy for me to say yes as I'm not plod but I think what needs to be hammered home, not just to UK cops but to EVERYONE who wants to be a copper is that they should realise they are held to a higher standard than everyone else. Far too many people join the police for the power trip, the pension or the machismo which are exactly the reasons they should be barred from becoming cops. Good cops know the law, know right from wrong and hold themselves to a high standard before others. Sadly that can't be taught easily and it shows in modern policing, not just in the UK but in the USA and beyond.
I've always said (and still do) that the George Floyd case was a case of bad policing, not racism. If you look at the behaviour of a large proportion of the police in the USA you'll see that the training, the culture and the standard of individual policing needs a huge overhaul.
Some worrying stuff here. Women forced to remove clothes under dubious reasoning, being left in states of undress for extended periods of time, missing CCTV/body cameras, discrepancies in custody logs and an accusation of sexual assault. All seems to be from the same station.
Really hope this is "just" bad policing and not something more sinister.
Man spends 17 years in jail for a rape he never committed. He claims the police "lied" thoughout the case, deliberately lost vital evidence that could have freed him and covered up their actions, so he would be convcted.