👋 Farewell, Gianluca Scamacca

[YorksHammer]

Ah terrific, another thread derailed by two or three people with too much time on their hands who just want to bicker amongst themselves

Shame we'll never see a fully fit, adjusted and adapted Scamacca for us.

[Spirony]

Nope. Just an example that we as a club never were never fully prepare for the whole Scamacca experience. Once again didn't do our due dilligence in how to handle the player and his on- and off the field issus that come/csme with him. That's what bad or lacklustre recruitement looks like, when you don't get any healthy relationship with the player and his people and end of in such a clusterfuck like the situation of him dropping in and out of set dates for knee surgeries and agents dropping him also because of that. Not good. And no winners on the first look, when you're likely selling a big-money signing on after just 10 months.

Yet Moyes a manager with a reputation for not making a signing without huge amounts of due diligence was happy to sign off on him
Sorry I’m calling BS on this one

[I am Legend]

Moyes will probably be gone soon, Scamacca should wait and see who the new manager is and see if they can actually use a striker in their system.

If not he'll go and be a very good striker in Italy. Probably a good team who have numbers and movement around him.

[Hamburger]

Moyes paid a lot of money for Scamacca for a reason and has seen him train. He knows what he is capable of and can build a team around him (or admit it was another transfer mistake?). I hope he does, the days of dour defensive (but necessary in a relegation scrap?) football should be behind us. With a new season and clean slate ahead of us, he can change to a more aggressive, ambitious system. The question is not just will he do it but whether Scamacca will want to try?

[il_martello_di_genovesi]

Ah terrific, another thread derailed by two or three people with too much time on their hands who just want to bicker amongst themselves

Sorry, perhaps we should just constantly talk about how good looking he is instead?

[Bubbles Fortuna]

Moyes paid a lot of money for Scamacca for a reason and has seen him train. He knows what he is capable of and can build a team around him (or admit it was another transfer mistake?). I hope he does, the days of dour defensive (but necessary in a relegation scrap?) football should be behind us. With a new season and clean slate ahead of us, he can change to a more aggressive, ambitious system. The question is not just will he do it but whether Scamacca will want to try?

I don't remember being in a relegation scrap and somehow finishing 6th. Was it dour and defensive then? I certainly don't remember you complaining about it.

Why are we so quick to completely forget those first two seasons and fully commit to this 'Dinosaur Dave, only good for fighting relegation' nonsense?

[I am Legend]

I don't remember being in a relegation scrap and somehow finishing 6th. Was it dour and defensive then? I certainly don't remember you complaining about it.

Why are we so quick to completely forget those first two seasons and fully commit to this 'Dinosaur Dave, only good for fighting relegation' nonsense?

We're talking about now and next season though aren't we? Not pre burnt out squad. That team is gone. None ever looked the same since burn out. Not Bowen, not Antonio, not Coufal, not Soucek.

He spent huge on a striker then refused to play him to his strengths. We saw glimpses in his first few months in ECL, with Paqueta feeding him centrally, scored some lovely goals. He was isolated, asked to live off scraps and long balls like he was Andy Carroll. Terrible management.

Luca will have blame too, after playing numerous times as a Carroll type, his heart and passion seemed to just die. Being in a new nation will do that too if its not going great. But in the end its up to him and Moyes to work hard and find the passion and desire.

I hope he stays but if not, a massive negative tick on Moyes.

[Hamburger]

I don't remember being in a relegation scrap and somehow finishing 6th. Was it dour and defensive then? I certainly don't remember you complaining about it.

Why are we so quick to completely forget those first two seasons and fully commit to this 'Dinosaur Dave, only good for fighting relegation' nonsense?

I thought we were in the bottom 3 a couple times in March or April? Maybe I'm wrong. We weren't that dour when we finished 6th, didn't need to be. I don't think he's only good for fighting relegation, make a note of that, you have a habit of forgetting.

[YorksHammer]

Sorry, perhaps we should just constantly talk about how good looking he is instead?

Yes. Would be better than sitting around waiting for Dussel and Aztec to get a room.

[il_martello_di_genovesi]

Yes. Would be better than sitting around waiting for Dussel and Aztec to get a room.

Tbh, it was there to be argued though. I'm not sure what purpose saying that Scamacca has played for 10 clubs was going to serve. 3 of them were as a schoolkid. 4 of them were on loan as a teenager/20 year old. If you're going to use that as a way to discredit him, then it's certainly going to be argued against. Whatever his other problems are, going on loan to play football as a teenager a few times has nothing to do with them. Unfortunately, just like Benrahma, Scamacca is going the way of pro/anti Moyes sentiment.

The bigger issue is the fact that we have a quality striker on our hands, that unfortunately isn't going to work for a variety of reasons. Going on loan to Ascoli as a 19 year old has absolutely 0 to do with it though...

[DusseldorfHammer]

I'm not sure what purpose saying that Scamacca has played for 10 clubs was going to serve.

As a sidenote.

[Colours never run]

He spent huge on a striker then refused to play him to his strengths. We saw glimpses in his first few months in ECL, with Paqueta feeding him centrally, scored some lovely goals. He was isolated, asked to live off scraps and long balls like he was Andy Carroll. Terrible management.

I once joked earlier in the season when it wasn't going well for us that in Training I could picture both Scamacca and Paqueta looking puzzled at each other after just showing everyone how good they are on the ball. Only for Moyes to then tell all the players to stop what they're doing before mapping out how we'll typically just get the ball out wide before sending over endless crosses in to the box, due to a stat that came out highlighting a high number of crosses that resulted in 0 goals at the time. Maybe it was a scenario that was more closer to the truth than first thought going by the latest comments from Antonio for the 2nd time now this season, that may well result in another decent quality young Striker leaving which is a real shame.

[jastons]

Taken from the summer rebuild thread....

Scamacca is off to Italy for north of what we paid for him. It’s been on the cards since he changed agents. Stick £40m in the kitty.

Making a profit an obvious positive but what a disappointing transfer.

[S-H]

Good to see him getting involved with his teammates, during the celebrations last night.

Please stay.

[ZazaPenaltyRunup]

Good to see him getting involved with his teammates, during the celebrations last night.

Please stay.

I thought it less than ideal when I noticed he was the only player having his own shirt signed by the rest of the team...

Hoping I'm wrong!

[westham,eggyandchips]

He needs time, games under his belt and who knows, he could be just what we need with another European campaign coming.

Haven't seen enough of him to judge how good he really is.

[S-H]

I thought it less than ideal when I noticed he was the only player having his own shirt signed by the rest of the team...

Hoping I'm wrong!

Didn't see that..

[paulhs1]

I thought it less than ideal when I noticed he was the only player having his own shirt signed by the rest of the team...

Hoping I'm wrong!

EVH has already said that his off back to Italy. The whole squad likely knows this too

[Billy Hunt]

I thought it less than ideal when I noticed he was the only player having his own shirt signed by the rest of the team...

Hoping I'm wrong!

Yep, like last day at school I thought

We will never know what could have been...

[Uptonogood247]

I thought he looked kind of isolated during the celebrations last night. Just seemed to be stood on his own for most of time wandering around aimlessly. Like to see him stay but the body language said otherwise to me.