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Bend it like Repka wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:30 pm Not much incentive for county cricket is it?
True, but then in fairness, you could say the same about many sports. It is not uncommon when an old footballer is drafted into a tournament squad because of a late injury.

International standard spinners in England are generally singular in volume and whilst one could argue we aren't doing enough to promote talent (countered appropriately by an 18-year old Ahmed), let's pretend that in a parallel universe Robbo picked up the injury against Ireland. We have a decent array of pace options, which is probably more appropriate to how cricket is played in this country.

Moeen is arguably a better spinner than Leach, the question I have is whether he wants it enough. If he can look the captain in the eye and show it, then fine, let's go with Mo.

PS. Bairstow is a proper keeper! :winker: However, I do feel for Foakes. It was very early in my cricketing days, but I vaguely recall a similar debate over Russell and Stewart - with the latter taking the gloves due to his ability with the bat. I think I got that right, anyway.
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We Do have plenty of slow bowlers, it's just that whiteball cricket encourages containment as much as attack, so, IMO, whether they can give it a decent tweak or not becomes less relevant.

(and it's still Dawson, how long was Duckett out for?!!)
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Turns to Stone wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:43 pm I think that's a little bit harsh. Bairstow (imo) should never have lost the gloves to Buttler and was (at one time), the best keeper/batsman in the world in Test cricket. Moeen is only behind Laker and Swann in terms of wickets taken in test matches. It's not like they're turning to Phil Salt and Liam Livingstone. These are proper test match cricketers and England need a quick fix.
I agree with their ability, but I still think it's not a great message.

Why strive to become an outstanding keeper? Clearly batting is more important, so more focus on that at training.

I've always hated the concept of making a player bigger than a teams ethics. Not that Moeen is about ego, but the guy was done with red ball cricket, he's not played since 2021. Yet he walks into the biggest series in cricket, and will probably retire straight after again.

Not great imho.
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Steve Smith going off fast and Travis Head even faster for the Aussies at the Test World Cup Final. 177-3 just after tea.

Ominous signs for the summer.
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Junco Partner wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:39 pm Steve Smith going off fast and Travis Head even faster for the Aussies at the Test World Cup Final. 177-3 just after tea.

Ominous signs for the summer.
Yeah, but the Aussies as scoring at under 4 an over. Proper test cricket, aggressive but not mad.

This is how they will play against us. They want to win the Ashes, not in 3 days.
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Yup, I feeling very nervous about the Ashes after watching Oz in this test.

Moeen has a poor record against them even.when playing regularly. They will go after him.

I think Stokes won't bowl much

Crawley

Smith and Lasagne looking ominous.
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If the Aussies win this (which looks likely) they’ll be cockahoop going into the Ashes, whilst we had one meaningless 4 day Test in overcast conditions against Ireland which would of been two weeks ago from the first day.

That Boland fella looks worrying good too, not a bad replacement for Hazlewood.
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steps wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:10 am If the Aussies win this (which looks likely) they’ll be cockahoop going into the Ashes, whilst we had one meaningless 4 day Test in overcast conditions against Ireland which would of been two weeks ago from the first day.

That Boland fella looks worrying good too, not a bad replacement for Hazlewood.
'Bazball' looks like it is going to get some test this summer, however if our players click we have nothing to worry about.. Wood, Anderson and Broads fitness (and stamina) are key. We are not going to spin them out with Moeen and the thought of seeing Smith batting for hours on end is filling me with dread.. However these Aussies, whilst good are not a patch on the sides of 20 or so years ago.. We can beat these lot but I expect a close summer.
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steps wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:10 am If the Aussies win this (which looks likely) they’ll be cockahoop going into the Ashes, whilst we had one meaningless 4 day Test in overcast conditions against Ireland which would of been two weeks ago from the first day.

That Boland fella looks worrying good too, not a bad replacement for Hazlewood.
Based on this test Boland & Hazelwood might both play and Starc gets rested.
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India, ****ing useless, once again
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ironside58 wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:52 am Based on this test Boland & Hazelwood might both play and Starc gets rested.
Hazlewood’s injured, apparently. Although will probably be in contention at some point in the series.
wolf359 wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:39 am
'Bazball' looks like it is going to get some test this summer, however if our players click we have nothing to worry about.. Wood, Anderson and Broads fitness (and stamina) are key. We are not going to spin them out with Moeen and the thought of seeing Smith batting for hours on end is filling me with dread.. However these Aussies, whilst good are not a patch on the sides of 20 or so years ago.. We can beat these lot but I expect a close summer.
Agree it will be close. And it seems the injuries are stacking up for us, not sure if Jimmy or Robinson will be available for next week. Tongue has been included hasn’t he and Moeen in for Leach. I’m actually quite excited about Josh Tongue, the Aussies won’t know much about him.
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Puff Daddy wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 1:28 pm India, ****ing useless, once again
Oh dear.. how sad…. Liverpool of cricket.
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Anyone with tickets for the first few Ashes tests are in for a treat one way or the other.
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Well it may be contrary to some, but I'm not that impressed by the convicts.
Sure India were poor on day 1, but, by and large, days,2, 3 and 4, were pretty even, and that's without Pant and, most of all, without Bumrah.
We'll soon unsettle Smith, we just need to find someone to put the Indian sign on Old Bog Chain. :newthumb:
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How to win the ashes on BBC is a fantastic watch by the way.

Who else has got Ashes fever leading up to Friday? Most excited I've been about a series for a LONG time. The most eagerly anticipated since 05?
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Was at the game on Friday.....Aus looked very flat when Rahane and Thakur were knocking them about. Atmosphere was great too....much more enjoyable when you don't have skin in the game :crylol:

I've been very cautious about England and Bazball....but the results speak for themselves and am now "all in!" 3-1 to us I reckon....
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think the convicts are slight favourites now - cant wait for Friday though -will be glued to the TV all day
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Whatever happens it was nice of the ICC to let Australia have a nice warm Ashes warm up test at the Oval against decent opposition whilst we had a four day trundle against a middling team.

Never say never, but I get a bad feeling the Convicts are going to come away with a series win in England for the first time in 22 years.
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Looking at the Aussies v India I think the Aussies are slight favourites going into the Ashes, they just look to have slightly more depth in all areas. Can see us maybe taking a hiding in the 1st test, then we will come back. Saying that, this is the NEW England, so maybe we just take it to them and blow them away in the 1st test??? I have no idea, apart from really looking forward to it!
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I'm always pessimistic to be fair when it comes to The Ashes but I feel there's too many question marks in our side when it comes to facing a top class bowling attack and the trio of Labuschagne, Smith and Head are a formidable unit.

If Bazball fails in say the first 3 innings against the likes of Cummings, Boland, Starc (if his radars switched on) what then?
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