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Something I've been thinking about in the wake of Saturday: Has any manager given us a better ratio of massive, take-your-top-off, hug-a-stranger moments than Moyes?

I'm nominally in the 'time to go Dave' camp I think. Not especially vociferously, but I find it hard to believe a different man in the dugout couldn't squeeze a bit more sexy football out of the players at his disposal. But in a stats-obsessed era, what I really want as a fan is as many moments as possible that make me take leave of my senses and go completely bananas. By hook or by crook I think Moyes' teams have given me them more frequently than any other manager's.

Last June goes without saying, as do the consecutive European runs, obviously; but we had them all through the lockdown season, the Liverpool and Chelsea home games in 2021, Lanzini away at Spurs (Lanzini away at Spurs!), and even when we've been a bit crap - Saturday being a great example, even Kidderminster away.

I think it's likely more by accident than design, but it's made me re-evaluate how I feel about him I think. I'm pretty certain I'd trade sexy football for more moments I'll remember for the rest of my life given the choice, and I wonder if there's something in the mentality of the squad he's built that means we get more than our fair share of them?

Either way, it's been great fun.
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I find some of our games predictable and boring.

I find every single Man City game predictable and boring.
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hammer1975 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm I find some of our games predictable and boring.

I find every single Man City game predictable and boring.
Agree on this, when we are bad, the football is very tedious, we have played some good football as well at times, we do as said by others, seem to have good team spirit under Moyes, and for that as well as other reasons I would like him to stay, he's not perfect for sure, but his pluses outway his minuses imo. On Man City, I couldn't agree more, I'm sure their fan's love every minute of their success, but I find their football boring as hell strangely.
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hammer1975 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:11 pm I find some of our games predictable and boring.

I find every single Man City game predictable and boring.
REALLY! :crylol: :crylol:

Go and put this on every other Football forum in the PL and we will see if they think City are more boring than West Ham to watch.

I have seen some outrageous statements backing Moysie's tactics,but this one is really taking the biscuit.
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On To Victory wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:54 pm Something I've been thinking about in the wake of Saturday: Has any manager given us a better ratio of massive, take-your-top-off, hug-a-stranger moments than Moyes?
Really good post, encapsulates exactly how I feel about the situation!
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On To Victory wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:54 pm Something I've been thinking about in the wake of Saturday: Has any manager given us a better ratio of massive, take-your-top-off, hug-a-stranger moments than Moyes?

Either way, it's been great fun.
You should post more mate, that was a belter..! :scarfer:
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For me that is what football is all about. You remember the moments for years in the future. Watching a bunch of fancy dans toying with poorer teams every week is the height of boredom. We don’t remember Hercules for being strong but for all the odds he overcame
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Tezza65 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:40 pm REALLY! :crylol: :crylol:

Go and put this on every other Football forum in the PL and we will see if they think City are more boring than West Ham to watch.
I actually understand where Hammer 1975 is coming from on this one. So I don’t find it laughable in the slightest.
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bubbles1966 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:42 pm Some of them have started grumbling about Aussie Ardiles over on the squabbling winkle. Naive, reckless, poor game management.
I predicted to my mates that Spurs fans would turn on him, and half-jokingly predicted that we'd be in the Champions League next season instead of them. Naturally I got mocked when Spurs had a good start to the season, but my predictions are still in with a shout!
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Without the big moments, we are fairly unwatchable.

The idea that to want better means we have to want City football, or that there is no path to meaningful success without playing like this is just nonsense.

Burnley had two massive jump up and hug moments, but they only came because we were abysmal for 85 minutes. Had Forest and Burnley had any sense, we lose those games. I’m happy we’ve got the right mentality and the right parts to pressure those moments, but those were both games we should have been winning, and by now, winning with some ease.

I’d like to see more obvious patterns of play, an attack that lives less off chaos, not needing the Soucek safety blanket against all opponents, more rotation. Mostly, I’d like to not feel dread when an opponent lets us have the ball.

Again, I’m in no camp as of yet, but I’d lean maybe 55/45 in favour of change. He needs to show improvement in some areas.
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On To Victory wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:54 pm Something I've been thinking about in the wake of Saturday: Has any manager given us a better ratio of massive, take-your-top-off, hug-a-stranger moments than Moyes?
Great post. Great username 👏

Not far off how I feel, but written so much less aggressively.

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I honestly think we've got a mediocre squad of players where DM has got the best out of them. Do you think any of these are currently quality players: Ings, Coufal, Soucek, Ogbonna, Johnson, Kehrer. Fornals , Benrahma, Cornet, Downes, Antonio, Creswell ?

Then of course, we have a crocked Zouma, an error prone Aquerd, undisciplined Alvarez , Paqueta and his suicide passes/loss of possession. A real mish-mash of players who DM has made into some functional team. If we replace him without a better squad of players, we might have a honeymoon period and then we'll struggle with relegation aka Pellegrini all over again.
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Humbug wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:29 am I honestly think we've got a mediocre squad of players where DM has got the best out of them. Do you think any of these are currently quality players: Ings, Coufal, Soucek, Ogbonna, Johnson, Kehrer. Fornals , Benrahma, Cornet, Downes, Antonio, Creswell ?

Then of course, we have a crocked Zouma, an error prone Aquerd, undisciplined Alvarez , Paqueta and his suicide passes/loss of possession. A real mish-mash of players who DM has made into some functional team. If we replace him without a better squad of players, we might have a honeymoon period and then we'll struggle with relegation aka Pellegrini all over again.
Another excellent post, there have been quite a few on here lately which is much better to read than the usual dinosaur accusations via lots of social media Fan's. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, there has to be a balance.
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On To Victory wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:54 pm Has any manager given us a better ratio of massive, take-your-top-off, hug-a-stranger moments than Moyes?
Slavs first season.
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westham,eggyandchips wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:42 am Slavs first season.
Payet was the main reason, without him, our football wasn't great either imo.
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Southminster Hammer wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:48 am Payet was the main reason, without him, our football wasn't great either imo.
Slav got found out pretty quickly.
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Humbug wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:29 am I honestly think we've got a mediocre squad of players where DM has got the best out of them. Do you think any of these are currently quality players: Ings, Coufal, Soucek, Ogbonna, Johnson, Kehrer. Fornals , Benrahma, Cornet, Downes, Antonio, Creswell ?

Then of course, we have a crocked Zouma, an error prone Aquerd, undisciplined Alvarez , Paqueta and his suicide passes/loss of possession. A real mish-mash of players who DM has made into some functional team. If we replace him without a better squad of players, we might have a honeymoon period and then we'll struggle with relegation aka Pellegrini all over again.
This feels a bit “careful what you wish for” post Sam.

The players you listed are mostly squad players, and all are Pl standard. Ings is third or fourth choice, other rest are rotation players and good standard considering that’s their role.

The non-rotation ones, Coufal and Soucek now, are top 10 PL players. And he could have replaced both! He’s moving our best midfielder wide to accommodate one, so you can’t exactly complain about him!

I vehemently disagree with almost every part of the last paragraph.
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DusseldorfHammer wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:59 am Slav got found out pretty quickly.
Yeah but what a season it was, he also got totally sold down the river by the scumbag that is Sullivan in that next season
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Have to say I am on the fence I do find it irritating that every time we win the Moysiah gang come out and every time we lose the haters come out Football fans so fickle and West Ham fans sadly ne exception
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