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Essexmaniac wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:18 pm ⬆️
I've seen journalists/reporters state that they have spoken to asylum seekers in France about the Rwanda plan. Many simply laughed and the feedback was that it wouldn't deter most of them.
Add to that many won't even know about it.

A lot of the Tory's when defending it state that it's only a small part of overall plans. Credit where it's due for the particular issue with Albania. If it's only part of other plans then an awful lot is being thrown at this particular part. One that they continue to struggle to make lawful and one always destined to have little effect, if it ever gets off the ground.
A point not being covered is why on earth were they being accepted in the first place when every other country saw them for what they were and told them to do one.
10 out of 10 for stopping it, 0 out of 10 for letting it happen and the go on happening until they were shamed into reacting to it........
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Pssst Delbs...keep it quiet as some are still a bit sensitive about this...but it was Brexit mate :wink:

By 'Taking Back Control' we opted out of the Dublin Regulations, which stipulated responsibility for asylum applications remains with the country of first entry in the EU. Without this we became a much more attractive destination to Albanian migrants.

Plus it made it more difficult to return people to their country of first entry (into the EU) due to the limited/non-existent number of return agreements in place with the countries of origin and those they transit.

Don't remember seeing that on the side of a bus, but there you go...bloody EU red tape!
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More Albanians applied here yeat when we were in the EU than since we left. As for dublin, it's regulation that works both ways, we took 6 times the amount in incoming requests as were returned to another country.

The big difference is acceptance rates have gone from 33% to 76%. One person's open and accepting is another's soft touch.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:00 am More Albanians applied here yeat when we were in the EU than since we left. As for dublin, it's regulation that works both ways, we took 6 times the amount in incoming requests as were returned to another country.

The big difference is acceptance rates have gone from 33% to 76%. One person's open and accepting is another's soft touch.
So six times the number of Asylum seekers from the UK were returned to us? Wonder what the reason for seeking asylum from us to other EU countries was?
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old fart wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:01 pm So six times the number of Asylum seekers from the UK were returned to us? Wonder what the reason for seeking asylum from us to other EU countries was?
No six times the number of requests from other countries to send asylum seekers here. It's not limited to refusals. People apply in the first country but then make a case to be sent elsewhere.

I'm guessing most of our leavers were refusals though. We aren't really a first country landing point.
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The ERG “star chamber” has concluded that Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda Bill does not meet its tests. LOL. More fighting in a sack beckons.
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Wonder who'll outlast the other...Sunak or Moyes? :chin:
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Junco Partner wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:57 pm Wonder who'll outlast the other...Sunak or Moyes? :chin:
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delbert wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:16 pmJob swap?
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In his new role as P.M. David Moyes has vowed to stop the boats by using the navy if necessary although he says he won't deploy any subs.
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I see the Mail is bigging up a Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage dream ticket for the Tory leadership. Whoever is supporting that must be insane.
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Fancy setting yourself up as a Second Hand Dinghy Salesman ?

Got some medical experience ?

There's a £700m pot up for grabs .


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67677933
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OFT wrote: Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:06 pm

In his new role as P.M. David Moyes has vowed to stop the boats by using the navy if necessary although he says he won't deploy any subs.

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I know Immigration is a touchy subject in the UK & Europe in general but the way the UK government has treated the Afghan special forces soldiers, who were trained, equipped & paid by the MOD is shoddy, imo.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67663888
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DublinDave wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:58 am I know Immigration is a touchy subject in the UK & Europe in general but the way the UK government has treated the Afghan special forces soldiers, who were trained, equipped & paid by the MOD is shoddy, imo.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67663888
It does seem to be poor. If someone has risked their life aiding this country they should be at the top of any list.
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DublinDave wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:58 am I know Immigration is a touchy subject in the UK & Europe in general but the way the UK government has treated the Afghan special forces soldiers, who were trained, equipped & paid by the MOD is shoddy, imo.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67663888
You would think if any group qualified through having a genuine fear or persecution if they are sent back it would be these people.

Seems very poor tbh. Should t need a loophole anyway, they should be eligible by right.
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It doesn't seem fair to me.

These are people who will undoubtedly be slung into prisons or worse by the Taliban and we seem to be abandoning them to their fate.

The whole way we pulled out of Afghanistan and let it go straight back into a medieval backwards society and ruined the futures of young girls over there really sticks in the craw.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:57 pm You would think if any group qualified through having a genuine fear or persecution if they are sent back it would be these people.

Seems very poor tbh. Should t need a loophole anyway, they should be eligible by right.
If the bar is being set so high what on earth were all those Albanians saying when they were being happily waved in just a short while ago? The whole system stinks, the route that should be open to the genuine is effectively as good as closed*, whilst any lying cheat that can make it across the channel is all but literally home and dry.


I recall something similar came up before and it turned out the UNHCR was mainly at fault.......?
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smuts wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:56 pm It doesn't seem fair to me.



The whole way we pulled out of Afghanistan and let it go straight back into a medieval backwards society and ruined the futures of young girls over there really sticks in the craw.
100% down to the septics. Once they decided to have it on their toes there was nothing we could do.
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The Five Families of the Tory headbanger mafiosi meeting tonight to decide Sunak's fate....and cover it up with some twaddle about Rwanda.

The New Conservatives, the European Research Group, the Common Sense Group, No Turning Back and the Northern Research Group....all bonkers.

If they can't see how detached and deranged forcing a sixth Tory PM on us in seven years makes their party seem then they're mad. The public will never forgive them.
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Junco Partner wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:45 pm Pssst Delbs...keep it quiet as some are still a bit sensitive about this...but it was Brexit mate :wink:

By 'Taking Back Control' we opted out of the Dublin Regulations, which stipulated responsibility for asylum applications remains with the country of first entry in the EU. Without this we became a much more attractive destination to Albanian migrants.

Plus it made it more difficult to return people to their country of first entry (into the EU) due to the limited/non-existent number of return agreements in place with the countries of origin and those they transit.

Don't remember seeing that on the side of a bus, but there you go...bloody EU red tape!
Yup and the crazy student visa bring your whole family over here allowance.

And why is that?

My guess would be post Brexit trade agreements
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