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bonzosbeard wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:22 pm Lawlessness. We all have things we don't agree with, but we have a society with laws. Ruining historic monuments, chopping down trees, what about taking my neighbours car?

Hope you can write a new magna carta so we can follow your rules. Or it's every man for himself.

Now for a start I would put in that criminal damage should be paid from the estate of the culprit. Or any future earnings.
What's your neighbours car got to do with anything? Orange powder paint washes off, but it's gets the publicity that has us all talking, which is the point.
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Italian Hammer wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:24 pm Agree, My background is in geology and climatology. We do have the technology to fix things however, the problem is we are too greedy, self-centered and lacking in willpower to do it.

FWIW - there is a belief among scientists that we are already in the next mass extinction, one of our own causing which ultimately may lead to own demise... unless yellowstone or campi flegrei get their first.

There is an old saying in geology... "civilizations exist by geologic consent" and the clock is ticking
I agree but I also doubt us on arrogance. We think we have the technology but it's technology that led us here. We don't seem very good at seeing all the impacts of things.

The solutions will themselves create other problems and we keep on trying to control something we just don't have the chops for.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:42 pm ... but it's technology that led us here. We don't seem very good at seeing all the impacts of things.
Sadly, also true. I always remember the quote from Jurassic Park funnily enough when Jeff Goldblum said something along the lines of "scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."

Part of the problem imo is that we always think in the short-term. Politicians think about the next 5 years, not what needs to be done in the next 50. People think in the context of a human lifespan, whereas nature works on much larger timescales and what appears to be happening slowly to us in reality is changing very very quickly.
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I’m not here to dispute whether or not Human interference has impacted upon climate change to an extent that has tipped the balance. But to think that we can adjust or reverse the effect of a changing climate of a planet that contains and receives more energy per day than we’ve ever produced as an industrialised civilisation, is an impossibility. However, there is no reason for anyone to oppose going about things in the cleanest way possible. Everyones concern should be that going green is becoming a commercialised industry that will become more about making money than actually burning less.
Greed is another filthy human trait.
The destiny of the human race is in the hands of the planet. One very slight axial adjustment could wipe out global warming and reverse the trend without any human intervention. Alternatively it could also accelerate it.
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Here’s another thing to consider, if we’ve managed to accelerate climate change by means of polluting the atmosphere, then the key point is that we’ve brought forward our demise as a civilisation by an unknown factor. So what ? We were going anyway !
The planet will rid of our effect once we’re gone.
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Mars was like Earth once, it didn't have Martians or earthlings (alledgedly) and still managed to bollox the planet up on its own. Anyhow, our solar system is going to colide with Andromeda in the future or it will be eaten by the sun when it turns into a Red Giant - whatever one comes first.

Our outlook as a planet is not good in the long term and I'm worried how I am going to survive those two events. :winker:
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Seems it hasn't caused any serious damage. I assumed it was gloss paint something. Don't expect there'll be charges. Still a stupid idea to vandalize.
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By casually insulting a religion that has environmental protection as one of it's core foundations ,the 'Stop Oil' group has proven itself to be as moronic as those that deny man made climate change.
With such a grasp of political astuteness ,when they grow up,they should apply to work at Conservative Campaign Headquarters.
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Dear Nature

Please could you crack on with the "extermination of the human race" gig? It's getting a bit tedious.

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Dear Mother Nature ,

Maybe start with those men in the 50-60 bracket leaving the over 60s with a clear run at the Burds .


As for Stonehenge....it's Welsh isn't it....?
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Viv Stanshall wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:52 pm The destiny of the human race is in the hands of the planet. One very slight axial adjustment could wipe out global warming and reverse the trend without any human intervention. Alternatively it could also accelerate it.
Better hope that the north atlantic circulation system i.e the gulf stream slows or shuts down. Last time that happened was just over 12 thousand years ago and temps in Britain dropped back to -30 degrees C for almost a 1000 years. The good news though is footy pitches these days have undersoil heating, so no more turning up on matchdays only to find it has been called off.
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Italian Hammer wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:04 am Better hope that the north atlantic circulation system i.e the gulf stream slows or shuts down. Last time that happened was just over 12 thousand years ago and temps in Britain dropped back to -30 degrees C for almost a 1000 years. The good news though is footy pitches these days have undersoil heating, so no more turning up on matchdays only to find it has been called off.
Ahh yeah but they all run off of gas boilers.
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There's nothing that wrong with this sort of protest, is there (I saw this morning that they'd also powder-paint sprayed a couple of private jets at Stansted)? Peaceful, undisruptive protest is ignored by government, big pharma and the fossil fuel industry; not to mention that this government have pretty-much knackered our right to protest, haven't they? So disruptive protest appears to be the only way to get issues discussed nationally. But powder paint pretty much washes off with the rain, so they're not doing permanent harm. And, as far as my limited engagement with these stories leads me to understand, when they've thrown paint at works of art it's always been at works safely behind glass (happy to be corrected here). So, again, no permanent damage.

Juvenile? Well, maybe. Alienating? Certainly, the way in which these stunts are reported. But surely these methods of protest are preferable to having them glue themselves to the road or the railway infrastructure, stopping people getting to work or making appointments (a method with which I wholeheartedly disagree)?
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Monkeybubbles wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:24 am Dear Nature

Please could you crack on with the "extermination of the human race" gig? It's getting a bit tedious.

Cheers
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In the remaining years can we have some good weather please as my wife can’t get my y-fronts dry enough to iron them.
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last.caress wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:14 am There's nothing that wrong with this sort of protest, is there (I saw this morning that they'd also powder-paint sprayed a couple of private jets at Stansted)?
No nothing at all, except for potentially clogging safety critical components of an aircraft with thick powder paint.
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I doubt they're going to take off without checking the safety of the plane Viv, come on. And you don't need to be glib mate, it was an honest opinion with no real skin either way. :newthumb:
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last.caress wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:14 amThere's nothing that wrong with this sort of protest, is there (I saw this morning that they'd also powder-paint sprayed a couple of private jets at Stansted)?
As stated above, and as you will be aware, Stonehenge is a site of great significance - and to pagans/druids sacred, holy ground - their equivalent of a church, a mosque or a synagogue.

Being a decent chap, you wouldn't defend the defacement of any of these. It's appalling behaviour and indefensible, really.

The pertinent question to ask at this juncture is this: has anyone been swayed towards supporting the JSO movement as a result of their guerrilla tactics?
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The jets you can kind of understand.
#jetsnotrocks

As long as one of them wasn't Timmys ride otherwise I'll have to hunt down all the soap dodgers.
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I have no problem with the defacement of the private planes and I thoroughly expect they'll plead non-guilty, go to jury trial and possibly be then found not guilty.

The defacing of Stonehenge, with lichens etc on the rock damaged by the use of dyed powder etc, is a different story.
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BabyClaret wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:04 am I have no problem with the defacement of the private planes and I thoroughly expect they'll plead non-guilty, go to jury trial and possibly be then found not guilty.

The defacing of Stonehenge, with lichens etc on the rock damaged by the use of dyed powder etc, is a different story.
...and the criminal damage to the fence they cut to gain access?
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