Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:04 pm
Giving Danny Dimes a 4 year 160mill contract last year is comical.
It's easy to say that now but at the time he had just led the Giants to a road playoff win and everything seemed on the up.
What was the alternative? Sign Russell Wilson? Trade for Trey Lance? You think Cleveland wants a mulligan on Deshaun Watson? For the Browns to walk away is like $164m in dead money on the cap - they are stuck with that deal for the foreseeable future. Giants can walk away at the end of the season from Jones and get a full reset.
bitter-iron-ny wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:31 pm
It's easy to say that now but at the time he had just led the Giants to a road playoff win and everything seemed on the up.
What was the alternative? Sign Russell Wilson? Trade for Trey Lance? You think Cleveland wants a mulligan on Deshaun Watson? For the Browns to walk away is like $164m in dead money on the cap - they are stuck with that deal for the foreseeable future. Giants can walk away at the end of the season from Jones and get a full reset.
Come on, he's never been 'the guy' or even remotely looked like the guy. I imagine the Gmen are waiting on the young Manning as their next QB...
Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:39 pm
Come on, he's never been 'the guy' or even remotely looked like the guy. I imagine the Gmen are waiting on the young Manning as their next QB...
He might need to earn some game time for his college team before he's anointed the starter for an NFL franchise.
He hasn't been able to supplant the average, overrated guy in front of him yet.
fjthegrey wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:43 pm
He might need to earn some game time for his college team before he's anointed the starter for an NFL franchise.
He hasn't been able to supplant the average, overrated guy in front of him yet.
I don't know much about him but a few friends who are Giants fan's seem to think that's who they are waiting on...long way off yet though.
Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:39 pm
Come on, he's never been 'the guy' or even remotely looked like the guy. I imagine the Gmen are waiting on the young Manning as their next QB...
Go back and look at his rookie season. Was more than respectable. At the end of the season before last, when he got the contract, you could make a reasonable case that he was an emerging top 10 QB. Has it worked out that way? Nope. Injuries, bad coaching, etc. and it's all gone south. But no player's development is a sure thing, and at the time, given the available options, it wasn't a stupid choice to play out the hand. Certainly not as costly as Wilson or Watson, and not many of DJ's critics offer any sort of plausible alternative plan, then or now.
Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:48 pm
I don't know much about him but a few friends who are Giants fan's seem to think that's who they are waiting on...long way off yet though.
That's a pipe dream, it just doesn't work that way. Even the most elite college talent has minimal ability to influence where they end up. Mostly plausible scenario for top talent coming out of college is be able to block where they don't want to go (Elway to the Colts, Peyton Manning to the Jets, and to a lesser extent Steve Young to the Bucs) and that can be done publicly or privately. Eli to the Giants was an exceptional circumstance, one which took place of the course of a couple of months, not a couple of years. Can't really get into all of it, but that deal was brokered at ownership/commissioner-level with all sorts of pettiness (Eli holding up the Charger jersey on draft day was one of the conditions, for example.) It was a perfect storm that only took place once everyone's draft position was established. The idea that any team could be plotting years ahead for any particular player is fanciful.
Saw a few Browns fans ranting on toxic socials about deshaun watson. They sounded just like that pseudo Man Utd Mark whatshisnose who appears everywhere after every game spitting venom. Don't go down that path Brownies. It's not a good look.
Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:48 pm
I don't know much about him but a few friends who are Giants fan's seem to think that's who they are waiting on...long way off yet though.
We have an outstanding chance of next year’s first overall pick!
goodness me but Watson doesn't seem like he's invested in football any more other than collect a paycheck. they'll end up eating most of his money either the end of this, or end of next season. can't see him turning it around at all.
now, I honestly don't know if the talent around him is good at all. I've no idea whether his wide receivers are top quality, or if his OL protects him much but my gosh, it was like watching a QB play in concrete shoes.
the problem with paying big money on these kind of deals.
the Colts kid, speaking about potential college and the ability to translate that into NFL play, Wiki says he played 24 college games. not sure if he started all of those or finished all of those. that honestly isn't many games (4, 8 and 12) to be taken 4th overall. he has an arm that's for sure. as mentioned earlier, 3 plays of 50 plus yards against us yesterday. he completed 3 for about 160 yards and his other 6 passes for about 60 yards. now yeah, we could have done better with coverage but they were accurate for sure and very well thrown... he's a running threat also @ 6' 4 and 244... THAT'S a big lad....
bitter-iron-ny wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:50 pm
Go back and look at his rookie season. Was more than respectable. At the end of the season before last, when he got the contract, you could make a reasonable case that he was an emerging top 10 QB. Has it worked out that way? Nope. Injuries, bad coaching, etc. and it's all gone south. But no player's development is a sure thing, and at the time, given the available options, it wasn't a stupid choice to play out the hand. Certainly not as costly as Wilson or Watson, and not many of DJ's critics offer any sort of plausible alternative plan, then or now.
That's a pipe dream, it just doesn't work that way. Even the most elite college talent has minimal ability to influence where they end up. Mostly plausible scenario for top talent coming out of college is be able to block where they don't want to go (Elway to the Colts, Peyton Manning to the Jets, and to a lesser extent Steve Young to the Bucs) and that can be done publicly or privately. Eli to the Giants was an exceptional circumstance, one which took place of the course of a couple of months, not a couple of years. Can't really get into all of it, but that deal was brokered at ownership/commissioner-level with all sorts of pettiness (Eli holding up the Charger jersey on draft day was one of the conditions, for example.) It was a perfect storm that only took place once everyone's draft position was established. The idea that any team could be plotting years ahead for any particular player is fanciful.
Erm...isn't that exactly what teams do and why they have an army of collegue scouts tracking players
Hard to judge how good Dallas were as Cleveland stunk the place out so bad. Dak and Ceedee seemed back in sync now they’ve both got their fat deals. Had to thank the football gods that Ferguson injury is nothing too serious I was convinced he’d done his ACL.
Great start for the new DC in Seattle.
5 NFL quarterbacks who are now borderline unaffordable after Dak Prescott's contract
makes some good points, however as usual any team in the NFL who have a good plus QB will find a way to make the deal work somehow.. or dump the bloke and claim couldn't keep him due to salary cap reasons.....
Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:18 pm
Erm...isn't that exactly what teams do and why they have an army of collegue scouts tracking players
Maybe I misunderstood what they were claiming? I was talking about rigging the deck a couple years ahead. It's the idea that the Giants are/should be/could be plotting to directly to acquire Arch Manning that isn't realistic. Of course players are scouted, even before they enter college. That's different than saying a team can gazump the process ahead of time. Eli situation was exceptional, but even then, the linkage with the Giants wasn't initiated until March, about 5 or 6 weeks before the 2004 draft.
all the talk pre game was how the Jets were favourites (or up there ) to win their division and of course this is only game 1 of a pretty long NFL season, but hell's Bells..
they look bloody awful.
23-7 still almost 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. might get REALLY ugly...
Cuenca 'ammer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:06 am
all the talk pre game was how the Jets were favourites (or up there ) to win their division and of course this is only game 1 of a pretty long NFL season, but hell's Bells..
they look bloody awful.
23-7 still almost 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. might get REALLY ugly...
Can't stop the run, you can't win. Belichick and the Mannings saw the weakness in the Jets D right off the bat. Didn't/couldn't adjust. 3rd string RB ends up with 140-something yards. Now Gang Green has 2 more games in the next 10 days.
DC in Seattle.
