The Sir Keir Starmer Labour Government July 2024-

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

Shall we start with Evgeny Lebedev or Michelle Mone.

Do we not want better than that though from this new broom?

[bubbles1966]

Shall we start with Evgeny Lebedev or Michelle Mone.

Or what about Charlotte Owen and the question of her father.

You was happy with the Tories refusing to feed children

You're going to freeze 4,000 old dears to death according to the Labour Party's own research, unless they've always been a bunch of melodramatic lying turds. It's all on Labour and leaves no position to moralise.

And Starmers bungs, nepos and cronies - that's all on Labour.

When they open their gobs and tell the world they'll be soft on crime and migration as they did almost on day one, why is anyone surprised when crime starts to explode and dinghies turn into ocean liners (801 yesterday)?

And when they pull the plug on allies like Israel, don't be surprised if our allies stop believing they can trust us and pull the plug on us.

And when you tell industries you are going to excessively regulate them, tax them and wipe them out with net zero, don't be surprised when they stop investing, stop creating jobs and start shutting factories and laying people off.

The Tories are gone, but it may be much briefer than expected. Just 4 pt poll gap now, so possibly level in reality. And that's all on Labour because the Tories haven't done anything worthwhile.

[OFT]

Dont know what she see's in him

He's punching and no mistake

[MB]

Do we not want better than that though from this new broom?

That's it. If they really want to be the party of difference and make us believe in politicians again then "yes, I had my hand in the till but I only took 50p; he took a fiver" doesn't wash it.

[old fart]

The Tories are gone, but it may be much briefer than expected. Just 4 pt poll gap now, so possibly level in reality.

And just another 4 years and 10 months to wait

[bubbles1966]

One or two were letting their hubris get the better of them not long after the election claiming they'd be in for at least ten years.

They're currently looking more like a one term government and it isn't hard to imagine them going the same way as the last government.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Labour break the habit of a lifetime and do their own leader in and end up spending a chunk of the parliament in the same sort of division and paralysis the 2019 Tories did.

[Prob]

You're going to freeze 4,000 old dears to death according to the Labour Party's own research, unless they've always been a bunch of melodramatic lying turds. It's all on Labour and leaves no position to moralise.

And Starmers bungs, nepos and cronies - that's all on Labour.

When they open their gobs and tell the world they'll be soft on crime and migration as they did almost on day one, why is anyone surprised when crime starts to explode and dinghies turn into ocean liners (801 yesterday)?

And when they pull the plug on allies like Israel, don't be surprised if our allies stop believing they can trust us and pull the plug on us.

And when you tell industries you are going to excessively regulate them, tax them and wipe them out with net zero, don't be surprised when they stop investing, stop creating jobs and start shutting factories and laying people off.

The Tories are gone, but it may be much briefer than expected. Just 4 pt poll gap now, so possibly level in reality. And that's all on Labour because the Tories haven't done anything worthwhile.

The most in need will still get the help they need. Spreading fear and misinformation about the winter fuel payments will be what kills people.


Crime has not exploded and the numbers coming over the channel remain the same as under the Tories and they will remain the same until a long term plan is put into place which Starmer is working on.

Brexit already killed Industry in this country.

You was dead set against the state giving support to feed children. So what is the difference?

[bubbles1966]

The most in need will still get the help they need. Spreading fear and misinformation about the winter fuel payments will be what kills people.


Crime has not exploded and the numbers coming over the channel remain the same as under the Tories and they will remain the same until a long term plan is put into place which Starmer is working on.

Brexit already killed Industry in this country.

You was dead set against the state giving support to feed children. So what is the difference?

Almost all of that is utter cobblers.

[Prob]

Almost all of that is utter cobblers.

No counter argument. Standard right wing response when they have nothing to say and get found out.

The 4000 figure was based on labours assessment of the Tories wanting to completely removing the winter fuel payment. Meanwhile Labour have protected the most in need.

Anyway you still failed to answer why you were against the government providing meals for children so they wouldn’t go hungry?

[Tenbury]

This thread has become little more than Bubbs and Prob exchanging garbage......How about you both just book a room?

[Denbighammer]

https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-to-e ... f-13215720

You say "Rwanda". I say "Albania".

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

The most in need will still get the help they need. Spreading fear and misinformation about the winter fuel payments will be what kills people.

So you agree people will die from the change but think it will be from people telling them they can't afford the heating on rather than there being less money in their accounts for heating. I can see 'the Trumpian fake news excuse of 'oh it's just misinformation' is going to do a lot of heavy lifting in the next few years. She'd be alive today if she had ignored grandmumsnet and just spent the money she didn't have.

The most in need aren't the ones this will hit, it's those just in need that are getting screwed. Ill thought out and rushed blanket ban. I wonder how angry you would be at this had Johnson chosen it instead of school meals in the holidays. Blind support of morally wrong things done by the party people like is how things continue to get worse.

[Tenbury]

The most in need aren't the ones this will hit, it's those just in need that are getting screwed. Ill thought out and rushed blanket ban. I wonder how angry you would be at this had Johnson chosen it instead of school meals in the holidays. Blind support of morally wrong things done by the party people like is how things continue to get worse.

I accept that,Sammy, but equally people on the other side of the argument need to acknowledge that a load of people who really ,really don't need the money are just using it to ,how was it put? ...ah yes, 'to buy a few extra Christmas presents'...

[ All this,over and above my regular droning on about the presumption of entitlement amongst the elderly...etc,etc,...]

[bubbles1966]

No counter argument. Standard right wing response when they have nothing to say and get found out.

Largely because I think it's a bit of a waste of time discussing it with you .

There is a certain sort of tribalist Labour supporter possessed with common traits - stunning hypocrisy, one eyed judgement, a fondness for whataboutery and a pathological aversion to the truth when something doesn't fit a simple minded view of Labour good/Tory bad.

This is behind the sudden outbreak of claims of 'misinformation' - it's the fear that Labour might actually be making some very bad decisions but this must not be admitted to - it's the evil Russian bots/right wing media blah blah bloody blah.

So again, Labour reports claims 4000 to die if universal Winter Fuel Payments are removed : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 09340.html

Starmer's £76,000 worth of freebies https://www.ft.com/content/f8e58318-bc5 ... 480820a5ab

Rayner killing off thousands of prospective jobs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99w1qjp8qko

BTL investment plummets : https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/buy ... ising.html

[bubbles1966]

I accept that,Sammy, but equally people on the other side of the argument need to acknowledge that a load of people who really ,really don't need the money are just using it to ,how was it put? ...ah yes, 'to buy a few extra Christmas presents'...

[ All this,over and above my regular droning on about the presumption of entitlement amongst the elderly...etc,etc,...]

Yes, some well off people don't need it, but there are a group of people who are neither rich, comfy middle class nor getting everything through the means test, who do. They haven't been catered for.

Single people don't get cheaper heating (afaik) just because they are single - some people in bigger households with two or more incomes need to remember that.

Some frankly bizarre claims being made by Peston about the naivety of the government and it's nonsense justifications for taking this decision like comically claiming it was about preventing a run on the pound.

The prevailing view seems to be that they acted in haste, haven't understood some of the negative consequences and have very possibly had the wool pulled over their eyes by some of their officials. It's a basic mistake that's now become a virility test for Mr £76k and his gormless chancellor.

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

I accept that,Sammy, but equally people on the other side of the argument need to acknowledge that a load of people who really ,really don't need the money are just using it to ,how was it put? ...ah yes, 'to buy a few extra Christmas presents'...

[ All this,over and above my regular droning on about the presumption of entitlement amongst the elderly...etc,etc,...]

Absolutely. It's something that needs reform, I've been saying that from the start, but it's been done in exactly the way labour have been complaining is wrong when anything changes - what about the people at the cliff edge, what about those falling down the cracks. They got to choose where the cliff edge was.

There is a budget in October, it could have been done then in a more grown up way. I suspect it was supposed to be a clever political move but they have simply managed to looks like idiots with a grudge.

[sendô]

You're going to freeze 4,000 old dears to death according to the Labour Party's own research, unless they've always been a bunch of melodramatic lying turds. It's all on Labour and leaves no position to moralise.

And Starmers bungs, nepos and cronies - that's all on Labour.

When they open their gobs and tell the world they'll be soft on crime and migration as they did almost on day one, why is anyone surprised when crime starts to explode and dinghies turn into ocean liners (801 yesterday)?

And when they pull the plug on allies like Israel, don't be surprised if our allies stop believing they can trust us and pull the plug on us.

And when you tell industries you are going to excessively regulate them, tax them and wipe them out with net zero, don't be surprised when they stop investing, stop creating jobs and start shutting factories and laying people off.

The Tories are gone, but it may be much briefer than expected. Just 4 pt poll gap now, so possibly level in reality. And that's all on Labour because the Tories haven't done anything worthwhile.

Almost all of that is utter cobblers.

[sendô]

With Sunak we had his billionaire wife Akshata Murty swerving £20m in UK tax, and with Starmer we've got him declaring late that his wife was gifted a few dresses, so that she can look the part on the international stage rather than wearing the same few outfits she bought from H&M.

Scintillating stuff.

[Viv Stanshall]

And just another 4 years and 10 months to wait

Looks like they won't mind if it ends earlier as they will have achieved their own personal goals

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[bubbles1966]

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