The Conservative & Unionist Party New Leader Battle

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Re: The Conservative & Unionist Party New Leader Battle

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Puff Daddy wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:24 pm The Tories got it right, when they elected Edward Heath as their leader in the late 60's. He was a comparative unknown at the time, but he was a good orator and gave Wilson and Callaghan a fairly good run for their money. He was also to the left of the Tory party and the public got behind, albeit, quite narrowly, at the 1970 General Election. He wasn't a great PM, but he was not a bad one either. He boldly went where no Conservative PM had gone before when he took on the miners and lost, but it is someone of that ilk, the Tories should turn to now
Isn't that the issue the Tories faced recently that the leaders (in the membership eye) werent Tory enough and kept trying to appeal to the left

Left supporters say starmer isn't left and is a Tory lite which considering we hear how much better the Tories are with the country is exactly what they should want. So should the country aswell (as they did with the vote) the Tories will get the decisions through they wanted to make but can play the "opposition" card to save face with the public (like they did with winter fuel when they wanted it gone anyways) and the public get a slightly less bad deal being just left of centre

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^ Extremists complaining that the leader isn't extreme enough is generally a good thing.

If the Tories have a leader that is too "Labour" and Labour have a leader that is too "Tory" then you at least know they are reasonable, normalish people who realise a lot of politics is about compromise and not riding roughshod over anyone who disagrees with you.
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When is the next vote?
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Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:03 pm When is the next vote?
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Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:03 pm When is the next vote?
A couple of weeks or so September 29 - 2 October
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I've had dealings with a group of Housing campaigners who've met him sereval times.

To paraphrase someone I know: " He listens, promises action, then does almost nothing."

They think he's another populist.
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"Honest" Bob Jenrick unlawfully overturned a planning inspector’s decision and granted planning permission for a £1bn property scheme 24 hours before before the developers became liable for £45m council community charges, and coincidentidly two weeks before billionaire developer Richard Desmond donated £12,000 to the Conservative party at a Carlton Club fundraising dinner.

Under pressure he reversed his decision and two public inquiries concluded the scheme should be refused permission.

WHAT. A. LEADER.

If a character like Jenrick is the answer then what the hell is the question?
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£12k , the price of his principles ?

At least no fear Keir got a couple of dedent frocks for his missus.
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Junco Partner wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:20 am If a character like Jenrick is the answer then what the hell is the question?
Pleased to see you're still alive, Juncs.

Are you still voting tactically to push old folk into poverty?
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14 years of clapped out economic ideology and a venal wealth grab by the most cold-hearted amongst us pushed old folk into poverty, and also young folk, and middle-aged folk etc, basically anyone outside a ribbon thin gilded elite suffered badly under the last lot.

But they're gone, tactical voting helped exterminate them, and if they still think the likes of Jenrick is the answer then they'll be gone for a very, very long time.
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the pink palermo wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:28 am £12k , the price of his principles ?

At least no fear Keir got a couple of dedent frocks for his missus.
And a chair in the corner of his bedroom so he can sit and watch Lord Alli take them off his missus....... :crossed:
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Kemi Badenoch: "I grew up in a middle-class family, but I became working class when I was 16 working in McDonald’s"

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/k ... 14729.html
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It's an odd one for the Tories.

The opinion polls have narrowed rapidly and last night there was a 14% swing from Lab>Con in another local by-election, this time in the Midlands. However, Reform didn't contest the seat.

Labour are consistently dropping about a quarter of their vote in most of the seats they are contesting, and are losing seats to the Greens on one hand, and the Tories on the other.

How they position themselves is a tough call, really.

It wasn't their stated policies that did for them, it was the gap between promise and delivery. They didn't walk the walk.
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sendô wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:48 am Kemi Badenoch: "I grew up in a middle-class family, but I became working class when I was 16 working in McDonald’s"

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/k ... 14729.html
Bonkers. Completely bonkers.
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She's trying to out- stupid Truss......

...decent attempt, but must try harder..
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I grew up working class but I became upper class when I had a cup of tea at Castle Howard.
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And that's why Badenoch won't win because her only comfort zone is having a pop at the "woke".

If I was them I'd be going for Cleverly over Badenoch and Honest Bob.
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smuts wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:13 pm And that's why Badenoch won't win because her only comfort zone is having a pop at the "woke".

If I was them I'd be going for Cleverly over Badenoch and Honest Bob.
She's to naïve and prickly when challenged.

The quality of the leadership candidates is shockingly poor. It is indicative of where politics is, there is a paucity across all parties.
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York Ham(mer) wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:51 pm I grew up working class but I became upper class when I had a cup of tea at Castle Howard.

Lucky b*stard -

I went from Working Class to Underclass after giving a beggar 50p .
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