Puff Daddy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:24 pm
The Tories got it right, when they elected Edward Heath as their leader in the late 60's. He was a comparative unknown at the time, but he was a good orator and gave Wilson and Callaghan a fairly good run for their money. He was also to the left of the Tory party and the public got behind, albeit, quite narrowly, at the 1970 General Election. He wasn't a great PM, but he was not a bad one either. He boldly went where no Conservative PM had gone before when he took on the miners and lost, but it is someone of that ilk, the Tories should turn to now
Isn't that the issue the Tories faced recently that the leaders (in the membership eye) werent Tory enough and kept trying to appeal to the left
Left supporters say starmer isn't left and is a Tory lite which considering we hear how much better the Tories are with the country is exactly what they should want. So should the country aswell (as they did with the vote) the Tories will get the decisions through they wanted to make but can play the "opposition" card to save face with the public (like they did with winter fuel when they wanted it gone anyways) and the public get a slightly less bad deal being just left of centre
^ Extremists complaining that the leader isn't extreme enough is generally a good thing.
If the Tories have a leader that is too "Labour" and Labour have a leader that is too "Tory" then you at least know they are reasonable, normalish people who realise a lot of politics is about compromise and not riding roughshod over anyone who disagrees with you.
"Honest" Bob Jenrick unlawfully overturned a planning inspector’s decision and granted planning permission for a £1bn property scheme 24 hours before before the developers became liable for £45m council community charges, and coincidentidly two weeks before billionaire developer Richard Desmond donated £12,000 to the Conservative party at a Carlton Club fundraising dinner.
Under pressure he reversed his decision and two public inquiries concluded the scheme should be refused permission.
WHAT. A. LEADER.
If a character like Jenrick is the answer then what the hell is the question?
14 years of clapped out economic ideology and a venal wealth grab by the most cold-hearted amongst us pushed old folk into poverty, and also young folk, and middle-aged folk etc, basically anyone outside a ribbon thin gilded elite suffered badly under the last lot.
But they're gone, tactical voting helped exterminate them, and if they still think the likes of Jenrick is the answer then they'll be gone for a very, very long time.
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The opinion polls have narrowed rapidly and last night there was a 14% swing from Lab>Con in another local by-election, this time in the Midlands. However, Reform didn't contest the seat.
Labour are consistently dropping about a quarter of their vote in most of the seats they are contesting, and are losing seats to the Greens on one hand, and the Tories on the other.
How they position themselves is a tough call, really.
It wasn't their stated policies that did for them, it was the gap between promise and delivery. They didn't walk the walk.
sendô wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:48 am
Kemi Badenoch: "I grew up in a middle-class family, but I became working class when I was 16 working in McDonald’s"
