Why did we bother?

[Tenbury]

Worse "we" did it because God told Bush and Blair it was the right thing to do. Go back to the press interviews at the time and they talk about a pray meeting before decidkng to go in and then start the language of crusade.

True enough.

Wasn't it 'Spitting Image' (may have been 'Whoops Apocolypse') which had Reagan at the Whitehouse desk,overseen by large oil executives at least one of whom was wearing a crucifix?.........

[Aside: How much better would if have been for mankind, and more so for the rest of this planet,had the overwhelming bulk of crude oil reserves been at the bottom of the deep ocean instead of beneath some practically deserted sandy wasteland?.....
........certainly,top flight football would be a lot more fun ]

[Hummer_I_mean_Hammer]

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had the overwhelming bulk of crude oil reserves been at the bottom of the deep ocean instead of beneath some practically deserted sandy wasteland?.....

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Obvious problem with that would be that without oil, you can't make plastic, without plastic you can't have bags for life, so by that logic, you have just condemned the planet to a global climate crisis with no way to solve it.

Hope you feel good about that..

[The Old Man of Storr]

English Monarchs used to marry 10 year old girls ....but they didn't get together until the girl ' was of age ' ...probably 12 or 13 back then .

Are we talking Arranged Marriages here , arranged marriages between two 10 year old kids who then meet up again aged 18 ..OR ....' Abdul , 50 marries Aisha , 9 ' ?





Anyway , the law has yet to be passed and maybe it won't .

[sendô]

English Monarchs used to marry 10 year old girls ....but they didn't get together until the girl ' was of age ' ...probably 12 or 13 back then .

Only the English? Not the Scottish TOMoS?

It was quite common for nobility to marry off their daughters as soon as they "come of age" back then.

[Hummer_I_mean_Hammer]

Not the Scottish TOMoS?

FFS Sendo, just how big a dowery would it take to marry off some Scottish bint?

[The Old Man of Storr]

Only the English? Not the Scottish TOMoS?

It was quite common for nobility to marry off their daughters as soon as they "come of age" back then.

If you can believe it [ and I know you'll find this difficult ] ....even the Welsh were at it .

Henry 7's Dad , Edmund married Margaret Beaufort aged 12 [ think he was around 24 at the time , maybe 25 ? ] -

Poor old Mags was pregnant and gave birth aged just 13 - by 26 Eddie was dead leaving Mags a widow while in her teens .

Tough life being a Royal .

[sendô]

Tough life being a Royal .

Don't tell Meghan.

[Patsy Belgium]

I suppose you could include beheadings,torture and mutilations of our population in ye olde days
All of which are still practiced in some Islamic countries
today.

[The Old Man of Storr]

I suppose you could include beheadings and mutilations of our population in ye olde days
All of which are still practiced in some Islamic countries
today.

As oppose to Nitrogen Hypoxia , the Electric Chair or Lethal Injection ..

In the Land of the Free ?


A good old beheading draws in the crowds and leaves less of a carbon footprint .

Less of a head too ....but that's life , never perfect .

[Patsy Belgium]

As oppose to Nitrogen Hypoxia , the Electric Chair or Lethal Injection ..

In the Land of the Free ?

Not sure those methods were available in Tudor or medieval England back then.

[The Old Man of Storr]

Not sure those methods were available in Tudor or medieval England back then.

That poor old donkey would've been exhausted by the end of the day .

[Estuary]

If you can believe it [ and I know you'll find this difficult ] ....even the Welsh were at it .

Henry 7's Dad , Edmund married Margaret Beaufort aged 12 [ think he was around 24 at the time , maybe 25 ? ] -

Poor old Mags was pregnant and gave birth aged just 13 - by 26 Eddie was dead leaving Mags a widow while in her teens .

Tough life being a Royal .

Life expectancy was between 33-45 years, at 13 a woman was entering middle age, obviously nobility had it better, Margaret Beaufort lived to be 66. If you wait until your late teens or early twenties before marrying and having children your going to die before your child is able to care for itself.
Thats said childhood as we know it didn't exist in those days, life was unremittingly grim.

[Monkeybubbles]

Thats said childhood as we know it didn't exist in those days, life was unremittingly grim.

You don't have to tell Tomos that, he was there.

[The Old Man of Storr]

You don't have to tell Tomos that, he was there.

Groom of the Stool to Henry 8 .


Sh*t job but someone had to do it .

[sendô]

Life expectancy was between 33-45 years, at 13 a woman was entering middle age, obviously nobility had it better, Margaret Beaufort lived to be 66. If you wait until your late teens or early twenties before marrying and having children your going to die before your child is able to care for itself.

Actually, life expectancy as an average in those days was low largely due to the high infant mortality rate. If you lived to adulthood - or at least to your teenaged "child bearing" years, you could reasonably expect to live to older age. Especially for female nobility.

The main driver for starting the child bearing young was so that the woman - or young girl - would have plenty of years to pop out lots of sprogs, in the hope that at least a couple will live to be adults.

[Hummer_I_mean_Hammer]

Did also read somewhere that it helped ensuring that the baby was a true royal seeing as the potential mother was a virgin.

[westham,eggyandchips]

What business is it of ours what goes on Iraq?

[MB]

Only the English? Not the Scottish TOMoS?

It was quite common for nobility to marry off their daughters as soon as they "come of age" back then.

Nine years old is middle aged in parts of Scotland!

[sendô]

Some of them are already grandparents.

[Hummer_I_mean_Hammer]

Some of them are already grandparents.

I'm lost now, are we still talking Scotland, or have we moved back to Iraq?